Open Thread – Alaska Women Not for Sarah Palin, Part 6
Alaska Women Reject Sarah Palin Rally, September 2008
May 13, 2024
Thursday, August 3, 2023
The Quitter Returns! -Monday, March 21, 2022
Putting the goober in gubernatorial -Friday, January 28, 2022
Alaska Women Reject Sarah Palin Rally, September 2008
yo, Slip !! if the call comes in,,, nnnaahhh.. you’ll go …even if it kills ya to do it…… so.. what’s the weather forcast for sweet tooth area?
Cool, 20% chance of rain. I’m driving north tomorrow toward Delta Junction and North Pole — will be on the road and on some rivers for 12 days.
Don’t worry, she’s not mountaineering. She’s taping for the Discovery Channel around Talkeetna . . . hmmm, not far from where a guy mysteriously disappeared in April . . .
yo, Slip !! if the call comes in,,, nnnaahhh.. you’ll go …even if it kills ya to do it…… so.. what’s the weather forcast for sweet tooth area?
Cool, 20% chance of rain. I’m driving north tomorrow toward Delta Junction and North Pole — will be on the road and on some rivers for 12 days.
Don’t worry, she’s not mountaineering. She’s taping for the Discovery Channel around Talkeetna . . . hmmm, not far from where a guy mysteriously disappeared in April . . .
One of the authors of the Bush torture memos says that the CIA went far beyond authorized torture.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-torture-bybee-20100716-8,0,5433797.story
Sheesh. Isn’t “authorized torture” already evil enough?
One of the authors of the Bush torture memos says that the CIA went far beyond authorized torture.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-torture-bybee-20100716-8,0,5433797.story
Sheesh. Isn’t “authorized torture” already evil enough?
Please forgive me for embarking on this path but I have been thinking about what a horrible week or two the X-everything has had. Part of it hits home because it’s been a pretty rough patch for our former Governor as well. And what’s happened couldn’t have been more well deserved on both counts.
Her abstinance-fronting second child has reunited with the once evil, now soon to be spouse. There’s a kid running around who might be the rogue father. One of them is. She is clearly about to be a two time Grandma. Her eldest son has called his sister what can only possibly be the “c” word (hey, stay classy Track.) Finally, the Lamestream Media is stepping up with the Trig story.
Her pals in the Tea Party are getting their public due. And don’t parse words FOX. The resolution was just what it was. Some elements of the Tea Party are racists. Deal with it.
A weak, but significant financial reform bill passed. Hopefully the spew in the Gulf has been halted. Several of the candidates she has endorsed have proven themselves to be not only off plumb but probably from the Planet Endor. The PAC finances are being scrutinized. Bill O dissed her.
She has used the words refutation and and mandation on national TV. Her hair looks like migrating birds found a home there now that the Gulf is poisoned for a generation. There’s an ill fitting fence on one side of her property.
She is lashing out in ways that look like her situation is out of her control and she has not the slightest capacity to rein it in.
AKM wrote the other day about Speed Humps or Speed Bumps. Not sure we’ll ever get the true story about Sarah Palin but I think the narrative is about to hit one of those risses at high speed.
Fan from Chicago…. The Residents of the planet Endor have issued a statement….
” While our planet Endor is at the outer most reaches of the Galaxy, we are an orderly and peacful people, who live in harmony with ourselves and other lifeforms. The Minions of “She who Shall Not Be Named” are NOT from our planet, and we unequivocably would not support them in any shape, fashion or form. This includes the wearing of padded bras or monkey shoes, preaching of Family Values while having affairs or marriages 8 months before delivery, or climbing Sweet Tooths, whereEVER they may be..
The Ewok Nation stands firm in its belief that regardless if you have spotted or striped fur, we are all equal as sentient beings and that we all share our lifes together, both the misforunes and the happy times.
While we are not aggressive by nature, we DO like a good feast to share amongst ourselves and friends . If “She who Shall Not Be Named”, or those whom she has spoken out in support of, where to visit our world, be assured we would welcome those of you who hold our beliefs in cooperation, to one fine feast of Sow and sow-lettes…. Salad bar available for the vegeterians amongst you
Sincerely,
The Grand Pooh-Bear of Endor
“Her eldest son has called his sister what can only possibly be the â��câ�� word (hey, stay classy Track.)”
I thought it may have begun with “sl”, but either way, clearly he’s part of the Palin bamboo patch (versus family tree).
Please forgive me for embarking on this path but I have been thinking about what a horrible week or two the X-everything has had. Part of it hits home because it’s been a pretty rough patch for our former Governor as well. And what’s happened couldn’t have been more well deserved on both counts.
Her abstinance-fronting second child has reunited with the once evil, now soon to be spouse. There’s a kid running around who might be the rogue father. One of them is. She is clearly about to be a two time Grandma. Her eldest son has called his sister what can only possibly be the “c” word (hey, stay classy Track.) Finally, the Lamestream Media is stepping up with the Trig story.
Her pals in the Tea Party are getting their public due. And don’t parse words FOX. The resolution was just what it was. Some elements of the Tea Party are racists. Deal with it.
A weak, but significant financial reform bill passed. Hopefully the spew in the Gulf has been halted. Several of the candidates she has endorsed have proven themselves to be not only off plumb but probably from the Planet Endor. The PAC finances are being scrutinized. Bill O dissed her.
She has used the words refutation and and mandation on national TV. Her hair looks like migrating birds found a home there now that the Gulf is poisoned for a generation. There’s an ill fitting fence on one side of her property.
She is lashing out in ways that look like her situation is out of her control and she has not the slightest capacity to rein it in.
AKM wrote the other day about Speed Humps or Speed Bumps. Not sure we’ll ever get the true story about Sarah Palin but I think the narrative is about to hit one of those risses at high speed.
Fan from Chicago…. The Residents of the planet Endor have issued a statement….
” While our planet Endor is at the outer most reaches of the Galaxy, we are an orderly and peacful people, who live in harmony with ourselves and other lifeforms. The Minions of “She who Shall Not Be Named” are NOT from our planet, and we unequivocably would not support them in any shape, fashion or form. This includes the wearing of padded bras or monkey shoes, preaching of Family Values while having affairs or marriages 8 months before delivery, or climbing Sweet Tooths, whereEVER they may be..
The Ewok Nation stands firm in its belief that regardless if you have spotted or striped fur, we are all equal as sentient beings and that we all share our lifes together, both the misforunes and the happy times.
While we are not aggressive by nature, we DO like a good feast to share amongst ourselves and friends . If “She who Shall Not Be Named”, or those whom she has spoken out in support of, where to visit our world, be assured we would welcome those of you who hold our beliefs in cooperation, to one fine feast of Sow and sow-lettes…. Salad bar available for the vegeterians amongst you
Sincerely,
The Grand Pooh-Bear of Endor
“Her eldest son has called his sister what can only possibly be the â��câ�� word (hey, stay classy Track.)”
I thought it may have begun with “sl”, but either way, clearly he’s part of the Palin bamboo patch (versus family tree).
“Refudiate” interesting.. the spell checker indicates I have made a mistake, could it be? It’s one of whathername’s words…
“Refudiate” interesting.. the spell checker indicates I have made a mistake, could it be? It’s one of whathername’s words…
There are a lot of words that rhyme with mitt, twit, etc. The possibilities are endless…a Mormon and a Born-Again (or whatever she is)—how’s that gonna work?
Born-Again or Hatched-Again?
B in Co, are you suggesting Mama Grizzly/Pig in Lipstick/Pitbull is really a reptile? I like the way you think!
Excellent point that had previously escaped me: split, flit, chit, hit, pit, Schmidt, ****it. Oh, and there must be others.
There are a lot of words that rhyme with mitt, twit, etc. The possibilities are endless…a Mormon and a Born-Again (or whatever she is)—how’s that gonna work?
Born-Again or Hatched-Again?
B in Co, are you suggesting Mama Grizzly/Pig in Lipstick/Pitbull is really a reptile? I like the way you think!
Excellent point that had previously escaped me: split, flit, chit, hit, pit, Schmidt, ****it. Oh, and there must be others.
Sometimes you just can’t pass up an opportunity to share a laugh:
Found on a Huff Po comment
“I hope Mittens and the twit bull run together, their ticket could be Mitt/Twit 2012.”
Sometimes you just can’t pass up an opportunity to share a laugh:
Found on a Huff Po comment
“I hope Mittens and the twit bull run together, their ticket could be Mitt/Twit 2012.”
nswfm: I hear ya, loud and clear!
nswfm: I hear ya, loud and clear!
Tea Parties claim innocent of all racist charges–say What?!
http://www.salon.com/news/tea_parties/index.html?story=/opinion/walsh/politics/2010/07/15/white_people_tell_naacp_to_disband
Just a peek inside:
“Then Williams (Tea Party Express) outdid himself, with a mock letter to President Lincoln from Ben Jealous, asking for a return to slavery:
Colored People have taken a vote and decided that we don’t cotton to that whole emancipation thing. Freedom means having to work for real, think for ourselves, and take consequences along with the rewards. That is just far too much to ask of us Colored People and we demand that it stop!… Perhaps the most racist point of all in the tea parties is their demand that government “stop raising our taxes.” That is outrageous! How will we Colored People ever get a wide screen TV in every room if non-coloreds get to keep what they earn? Totally racist! The tea party expects coloreds to be productive members of society? ”
All I can say is WOW! Palin sure has aligned herself with, in her words, “a beautiful movement”.
You know what Keith Olbermann says….
I have a feeling he will be saying it again tonight, too, also.
Tea Parties claim innocent of all racist charges–say What?!
http://www.salon.com/news/tea_parties/index.html?story=/opinion/walsh/politics/2010/07/15/white_people_tell_naacp_to_disband
Just a peek inside:
“Then Williams (Tea Party Express) outdid himself, with a mock letter to President Lincoln from Ben Jealous, asking for a return to slavery:
Colored People have taken a vote and decided that we don’t cotton to that whole emancipation thing. Freedom means having to work for real, think for ourselves, and take consequences along with the rewards. That is just far too much to ask of us Colored People and we demand that it stop!… Perhaps the most racist point of all in the tea parties is their demand that government “stop raising our taxes.” That is outrageous! How will we Colored People ever get a wide screen TV in every room if non-coloreds get to keep what they earn? Totally racist! The tea party expects coloreds to be productive members of society? ”
All I can say is WOW! Palin sure has aligned herself with, in her words, “a beautiful movement”.
You know what Keith Olbermann says….
I have a feeling he will be saying it again tonight, too, also.
To inject some levity — this may even be better than his post about the engagement. Email solicitations for the Palin Family Legal Fund? Is this for real? Anyone anyone?
http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2010/07/15/sarah-palin-promises-to-not-use-your-money-for-even-bigger-boobies/
It’s really funny….
“Hot Pockets for 200 ”
Sounds like the perfect menu for the reception. Do they come in moose flavor up there in Alassssskah???
To inject some levity — this may even be better than his post about the engagement. Email solicitations for the Palin Family Legal Fund? Is this for real? Anyone anyone?
http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2010/07/15/sarah-palin-promises-to-not-use-your-money-for-even-bigger-boobies/
It’s really funny….
“Hot Pockets for 200 ”
Sounds like the perfect menu for the reception. Do they come in moose flavor up there in Alassssskah???
Emily’s List goes to war against Sarah Palin:
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2010/07/15/emilys_list_vs_sarah_palin/
Emily’s List goes to war against Sarah Palin:
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2010/07/15/emilys_list_vs_sarah_palin/
Love it: “Paper Grizzly”
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/07/paper-grizzly.html
Love it: “Paper Grizzly”
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/07/paper-grizzly.html
Very interesting interview with BrIstol’s ex-boyfriend, Ben Barber :
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-07-15/bristol-palins-ex-boyfriend-ben-barber-slams-levi-johnston/?cid=topic:mostrecent1
**** “[Bristol] never had a good relationship with her Mom and Dad, so not telling them (about the engagement) doesn’t surprise me. But I know the whole family isn’t happy about it. I was in town for a night and stopped by to see Todd and Track. They were furious.”
Barber says upon hearing the news he went outside with Track and asked him what he thought of the rekindled romance. Barber said Track was “disappointed and didn’t approve of the situation”—so much so, Barber says, that Track called his sister by a four-letter pejorative. ****
That “four-letter pejorative” reminds me of something I read last night. This was funny, but I’m warning you about the language:
http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/2010/07/airing-your-dirty-grizzly-fur-in-public.html
I do love (in the Platonic sense) JG.
“Barber says, that Track called his sister by a four-letter pejorative. ****”
As classy as the rest of the clan. Place your bets–did that four-letter word start with an “s” or a “c”?
Very interesting interview with BrIstol’s ex-boyfriend, Ben Barber :
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-07-15/bristol-palins-ex-boyfriend-ben-barber-slams-levi-johnston/?cid=topic:mostrecent1
**** “[Bristol] never had a good relationship with her Mom and Dad, so not telling them (about the engagement) doesn’t surprise me. But I know the whole family isn’t happy about it. I was in town for a night and stopped by to see Todd and Track. They were furious.”
Barber says upon hearing the news he went outside with Track and asked him what he thought of the rekindled romance. Barber said Track was “disappointed and didn’t approve of the situation”—so much so, Barber says, that Track called his sister by a four-letter pejorative. ****
That “four-letter pejorative” reminds me of something I read last night. This was funny, but I’m warning you about the language:
http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/2010/07/airing-your-dirty-grizzly-fur-in-public.html
I do love (in the Platonic sense) JG.
“Barber says, that Track called his sister by a four-letter pejorative. ****”
As classy as the rest of the clan. Place your bets–did that four-letter word start with an “s” or a “c”?
A comment on Huff Po:
I find it interesting that no one in the media has even checked the consulting “companies” she uses. I checked a couple of oddly named “companies” located in Alaska. I’m from Alaska and still have friends there. When I couldn’t find any information about three of the companies, which oddly all had the same address, I asked a buddy of mine to pop by the building. It turns out it’s the home of a friend of hers who is apparently doing “consulting work and handling her “appointments.” She’s getting more than $5500 a month. I understand other family members have now opened “consulting” businesses, again, according to friends in AK. Even Bristol has gotten into the “consulting” business. Most of the money from SarahPac is going to giving friends and family a very nice little income, not to mention all those lovely hotel rooms that the “elite” among us stay at…Lil’ Sarah sure talks a great talk but doesn’t seem to walk the walk.
But facts don’t matter to her supporters do they? For her male “supporters,” I suspect her appearance is tops. For all those so-called “hockey/evangelical Mothers out there, apparently they believe she’s one of them, whatever being one of “them” means.
I wondered why Bristol would set up a consulting business. So do we have a paper trial yet to show that mom is supporting her with PAC money? Its all starting to make sense.
If her supporters refuse to do a little research before trusting someone they don’t know from a can of beans – then they deserve to be ripped off blind.
A comment on Huff Po:
I find it interesting that no one in the media has even checked the consulting “companies” she uses. I checked a couple of oddly named “companies” located in Alaska. I’m from Alaska and still have friends there. When I couldn’t find any information about three of the companies, which oddly all had the same address, I asked a buddy of mine to pop by the building. It turns out it’s the home of a friend of hers who is apparently doing “consulting work and handling her “appointments.” She’s getting more than $5500 a month. I understand other family members have now opened “consulting” businesses, again, according to friends in AK. Even Bristol has gotten into the “consulting” business. Most of the money from SarahPac is going to giving friends and family a very nice little income, not to mention all those lovely hotel rooms that the “elite” among us stay at…Lil’ Sarah sure talks a great talk but doesn’t seem to walk the walk.
But facts don’t matter to her supporters do they? For her male “supporters,” I suspect her appearance is tops. For all those so-called “hockey/evangelical Mothers out there, apparently they believe she’s one of them, whatever being one of “them” means.
I wondered why Bristol would set up a consulting business. So do we have a paper trial yet to show that mom is supporting her with PAC money? Its all starting to make sense.
If her supporters refuse to do a little research before trusting someone they don’t know from a can of beans – then they deserve to be ripped off blind.
Here’s the press release from BP re: what they expect from today’s efforts. The oil being contained was expected but they say that it doesn’t necessarily indicate that it will stay contained. They have to monitor for the next 48 hours :
http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?categoryId=2012968&contentId=7063770
But, for now – it’s working.
They are going to have to keep checking pressures for quite some time before they will really know if it is going to hold.
Here’s the press release from BP re: what they expect from today’s efforts. The oil being contained was expected but they say that it doesn’t necessarily indicate that it will stay contained. They have to monitor for the next 48 hours :
http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?categoryId=2012968&contentId=7063770
But, for now – it’s working.
They are going to have to keep checking pressures for quite some time before they will really know if it is going to hold.
This is starting to show up on Twitter –
*** BP’s Kent Wells says no oil is leaking into the Gulf, that the well is “shut in”. Waiting to verify,clarify ***
It has been reposted several times, including via the White House Press account.
Anyone else seeing any news of this yet ? I don’t dare to believe it yet.
I don’t believe a word of that. With the PR flacks trying to control the message, who, with critical thinking skills, would at this point?
The major news outlets are reporting it as breaking news.
That’s what PR people do.
This is starting to show up on Twitter –
*** BP’s Kent Wells says no oil is leaking into the Gulf, that the well is “shut in”. Waiting to verify,clarify ***
It has been reposted several times, including via the White House Press account.
Anyone else seeing any news of this yet ? I don’t dare to believe it yet.
I don’t believe a word of that. With the PR flacks trying to control the message, who, with critical thinking skills, would at this point?
The major news outlets are reporting it as breaking news.
That’s what PR people do.
I’m Arizona born and raised, I am Anglo, and my front porch is five miles north of the border. Arizona has a long, long history of subtly encouraging illegal entry. The industries that built this state: copper mining, cotton and citrus growing, cattle ranching and tourism, have always depended on having a large pool of people who can be hired at a moment’s notice, payed off the books, and dismissed at will. To this day, thre is little or no enforcement of a law already on AZ books that would allow law enforcement to go after the parties responsible for hiring the undocumented in the first place, because the people doing the hiring are rich and have great influence in our state and national legislatures. Right now, every Arizona legislator is purposely whipping up hate and fear of “illegals” as part of thir campaign platform. A frightened, angry population is so much easier to manipulate, don’t you know. And with the state’s abysmal ranking in public education, these folks are gonna have a lot of ignorant constituents coming up through the system. I hear it all the time that “most” Arizonans support our latest anti-immigrant law, SB 1070. My only reply is that once upon a time, most Americans supported slavery, or Jim Crow laws, or locking up Japanese Americans. Just because “most” people support it, it doesn’t make it right.
I know we’re not supposed to compare this situation with that of Jews in Germany in the 1930’s, but I’m sorry – there are lots of parallels. From Mrs. Palin’s assertion that all illegal entrants should present themselves to “register”, to the anonymous cowards in Utah who have been keeping lists, the similarities are all too clear.
Well said, Mag.
Business has long been behind illegal immigration for the reasons you’ve discussed. Under the Bush years, it became more blatant; it seemed to a lot of us that GW Bush was even encouraging it.
I’ve been partial to tougher law enforcement actions – but not on the immigrants, on the businesses that use and abuse them. It’s time we held business accountable.
This trend for IDs, registration, leaks of private information to intimidate is very disturbing. But where is Missy Sarah in all this? I haven’t heard her come out with one condemnation at all.
Sarah seems quite content with these disturbing trends. Why?
Business “needs” illegals to work at wages below those any citizen or resident alien would find acceptable. Businesses run ads in Mexican newspapers, in Spanish, to recruit meatpackers, etc. for “high paying” work in the States. They interview applicants in Mexico, then bus them to places such as Nebraska, where they keep their mouths shut about their long hours, low pay (compared to “real” American jobs), and abhorrent workplace conditions. If ICE busts them, they get deported. The employers, when caught, pay whatever fines they’re charged; it’s all included in the price of doing business. As someone who remembers when everyone in the meatpacking industry was a union member, with better-than-decent pay and benefits, this really p*sses me off. (Btw, you may wonder why a vegan-for-decades knows about this. Like many vegetarians, I believe in staying well informed about the horrors inflicted on animals raised for meat, the workers who care for and process them, and the health consequences of consuming them.) Health and peace.
The Chamber of Commerce pretends to hate illegals but they fight employment verification laws.
I remember your letter to the editor from last summer, Mag the Mick, and think it’s time for you to repeat your eloquent self, updated.
Yes, I wonder who mows the lawns and cleans the pools of some of the people making these laws. Who hand throws the adobes that they make their houses from? And just how much do Umercans want to pay for their citrus? And how many screaming racist white people could handle the back breaking labor of picking it? I lived in NM and the same not-so-subtle, unspoken support for cheap, undocumented labor was prevalent there too. Just think, you don’t have to pay taxes that cover unemployment, worker’s comp, etc, etc, etc if you hire undocumented workers and pay them cash under the table. This included oil companies for the really dirty work by the way.
Yes, and they would be afraid to open their mouths if they were being asked to do work that would not comply with the laws, environmental or otherwise.
My grandfather, and now my cousin is a citrus grower. My grandfather never ever hired an illegal to do any type of work. Seasonal work was done by high school kids, college students needing summer and break time jobs, women wanting to pick up extra money. He didn’t care whether they spoke English or not, but he only hired legal workers. Then, the unionization of farm labor came and he was then actually unable to hire these seasonal workers any more because they had to belong to the union. The wages he paid went up, the wages the workers made went down, the quality of the produce dropped due to poor harvesting practices, and the quality of his trees dropped as well. Many of the unionized workers were illegal. My cousin still struggles with this. And he was one of the kids that worked in the orchards during school breaks. Me, too.
Umericans paid less for their citrus and got higher quality fruit when Americans got paid a decent wage for seasonal labor. Row crops may be different, but the only ones that profited from unionizing migrant citrus workers were the packing houses and the union reps.
When trying to get signatures on petitions to fight (and win) against at mega mining co from an experimental LNG project of our shores, when we’d ask people at the farmers market to sign, we could tell by how fast they ran who didn’t want their names documented. There is all kinds of agriculture here, so I don’t really know, but also have worked with people who put themselves through school, picking fruit in the San Joaquin Valley. In fact, one prof in college got interested in materials science when he was packing oranges in Fla. It’s a difficult job, but there was an article in the local paper about how the “illegals” felt it was valued work because it fed people and families, not just their own. It was touching then, and touching now, that they thought that way. Instead, we demonize them while who knows what’s happening with pesticides, etc.
Mag, I completely agree with you. If they really wanted to stop undocumented workers we already have laws in most states to stop it. This is just more ginning up fear amongst the gullible.
Actually, the parallel with German Jews in the ’30s is fairly appropriate. That was before the extermination camps, and the mandatory Stars of David and whatnot. During the ’30s, Jews were vilified as the cause of all Germany’s problems by an increasingly influential political party. Other themes advanced by that party were that German exceptionalism was being repressed by the rest of the world, and that the existing German political establishment was a bunch of pussies.
I’m sure they had some sh!t to serve about economics, too, but since the Weimar Republic was, in real life, experiencing hyperinflation that Glenn Beck can only dream of, whatever they said was received as “the existing guys are pussies”.
But, back to the Jews/Messicans. The key requirement for any good rabble-rousing crusade is: you gotta have an easily identifiable villain to blame for everything that isn’t going well. It is an unfortunate aspect of human nature that we want there to be people who are at fault for things that go wrong (cf. scapegoat). I have the same fault. If I could, I’d call a major airstrike on Lower Manhattan during a Wednesday afternoon, and apologize for the collateral damage..
But I digress. The RepLepoDingDongs are trying to make illegal (Mexican) immigrants the reason for all our economic problems. This is pretty much the same approach the (unnamed so as not to violate Godwin’s Law) Party took with Jews in ’30s Germany. Whatever impact illegal immigrants have on the overall economy, it is certainly dwarfed by the collapse of the derivatives market — I’m certain that exactly zero illegal immigrants participated in any of the CDO’s or CDS’s that collapsed the global financial system.
But, of course, facts do not matter when you’re trying to frame the discussion.
After this whole rant agreeing with you about the parallel with German Jews in the ’30s, I’d suggest that you use that analogy carefully. The ’30’s were 70-80 years ago; almost no one has living memories; it’s unfortunately easy to fluff off. I try to focus on the underlying falsehood — immigrants did not cause the economic meltdown; bitching at them distracts from addressing the real problems. Of course, your basic TeaBeliever doesn’t care about facts.
Mag the Mick…I agree with you! Well said! Mrs. Palin is keeping the “hate”
and “fear” mentality spreading. Her “pimps” (wealthy business men) know
that you can control people if you keep them in fear. ‘Political Prostitute’,
Sarah Palin is their puppet. As long as she can haul her “gold” to the bank,
she will whip of fear. Yes, she and her puppet masters can be compared to
the situation with the Jews in Germany and Hitler.(1930) There are lots of parallels!
And the cowards in Utah, state employees, sending out lists of illegas to the
media and law enforcement officers. American will fall by its own people!!
I’m Arizona born and raised, I am Anglo, and my front porch is five miles north of the border. Arizona has a long, long history of subtly encouraging illegal entry. The industries that built this state: copper mining, cotton and citrus growing, cattle ranching and tourism, have always depended on having a large pool of people who can be hired at a moment’s notice, payed off the books, and dismissed at will. To this day, thre is little or no enforcement of a law already on AZ books that would allow law enforcement to go after the parties responsible for hiring the undocumented in the first place, because the people doing the hiring are rich and have great influence in our state and national legislatures. Right now, every Arizona legislator is purposely whipping up hate and fear of “illegals” as part of thir campaign platform. A frightened, angry population is so much easier to manipulate, don’t you know. And with the state’s abysmal ranking in public education, these folks are gonna have a lot of ignorant constituents coming up through the system. I hear it all the time that “most” Arizonans support our latest anti-immigrant law, SB 1070. My only reply is that once upon a time, most Americans supported slavery, or Jim Crow laws, or locking up Japanese Americans. Just because “most” people support it, it doesn’t make it right.
I know we’re not supposed to compare this situation with that of Jews in Germany in the 1930’s, but I’m sorry – there are lots of parallels. From Mrs. Palin’s assertion that all illegal entrants should present themselves to “register”, to the anonymous cowards in Utah who have been keeping lists, the similarities are all too clear.
Well said, Mag.
Business has long been behind illegal immigration for the reasons you’ve discussed. Under the Bush years, it became more blatant; it seemed to a lot of us that GW Bush was even encouraging it.
I’ve been partial to tougher law enforcement actions – but not on the immigrants, on the businesses that use and abuse them. It’s time we held business accountable.
This trend for IDs, registration, leaks of private information to intimidate is very disturbing. But where is Missy Sarah in all this? I haven’t heard her come out with one condemnation at all.
Sarah seems quite content with these disturbing trends. Why?
Business “needs” illegals to work at wages below those any citizen or resident alien would find acceptable. Businesses run ads in Mexican newspapers, in Spanish, to recruit meatpackers, etc. for “high paying” work in the States. They interview applicants in Mexico, then bus them to places such as Nebraska, where they keep their mouths shut about their long hours, low pay (compared to “real” American jobs), and abhorrent workplace conditions. If ICE busts them, they get deported. The employers, when caught, pay whatever fines they’re charged; it’s all included in the price of doing business. As someone who remembers when everyone in the meatpacking industry was a union member, with better-than-decent pay and benefits, this really p*sses me off. (Btw, you may wonder why a vegan-for-decades knows about this. Like many vegetarians, I believe in staying well informed about the horrors inflicted on animals raised for meat, the workers who care for and process them, and the health consequences of consuming them.) Health and peace.
The Chamber of Commerce pretends to hate illegals but they fight employment verification laws.
I remember your letter to the editor from last summer, Mag the Mick, and think it’s time for you to repeat your eloquent self, updated.
Yes, I wonder who mows the lawns and cleans the pools of some of the people making these laws. Who hand throws the adobes that they make their houses from? And just how much do Umercans want to pay for their citrus? And how many screaming racist white people could handle the back breaking labor of picking it? I lived in NM and the same not-so-subtle, unspoken support for cheap, undocumented labor was prevalent there too. Just think, you don’t have to pay taxes that cover unemployment, worker’s comp, etc, etc, etc if you hire undocumented workers and pay them cash under the table. This included oil companies for the really dirty work by the way.
Yes, and they would be afraid to open their mouths if they were being asked to do work that would not comply with the laws, environmental or otherwise.
My grandfather, and now my cousin is a citrus grower. My grandfather never ever hired an illegal to do any type of work. Seasonal work was done by high school kids, college students needing summer and break time jobs, women wanting to pick up extra money. He didn’t care whether they spoke English or not, but he only hired legal workers. Then, the unionization of farm labor came and he was then actually unable to hire these seasonal workers any more because they had to belong to the union. The wages he paid went up, the wages the workers made went down, the quality of the produce dropped due to poor harvesting practices, and the quality of his trees dropped as well. Many of the unionized workers were illegal. My cousin still struggles with this. And he was one of the kids that worked in the orchards during school breaks. Me, too.
Umericans paid less for their citrus and got higher quality fruit when Americans got paid a decent wage for seasonal labor. Row crops may be different, but the only ones that profited from unionizing migrant citrus workers were the packing houses and the union reps.
When trying to get signatures on petitions to fight (and win) against at mega mining co from an experimental LNG project of our shores, when we’d ask people at the farmers market to sign, we could tell by how fast they ran who didn’t want their names documented. There is all kinds of agriculture here, so I don’t really know, but also have worked with people who put themselves through school, picking fruit in the San Joaquin Valley. In fact, one prof in college got interested in materials science when he was packing oranges in Fla. It’s a difficult job, but there was an article in the local paper about how the “illegals” felt it was valued work because it fed people and families, not just their own. It was touching then, and touching now, that they thought that way. Instead, we demonize them while who knows what’s happening with pesticides, etc.
Mag, I completely agree with you. If they really wanted to stop undocumented workers we already have laws in most states to stop it. This is just more ginning up fear amongst the gullible.
Actually, the parallel with German Jews in the ’30s is fairly appropriate. That was before the extermination camps, and the mandatory Stars of David and whatnot. During the ’30s, Jews were vilified as the cause of all Germany’s problems by an increasingly influential political party. Other themes advanced by that party were that German exceptionalism was being repressed by the rest of the world, and that the existing German political establishment was a bunch of pussies.
I’m sure they had some sh!t to serve about economics, too, but since the Weimar Republic was, in real life, experiencing hyperinflation that Glenn Beck can only dream of, whatever they said was received as “the existing guys are pussies”.
But, back to the Jews/Messicans. The key requirement for any good rabble-rousing crusade is: you gotta have an easily identifiable villain to blame for everything that isn’t going well. It is an unfortunate aspect of human nature that we want there to be people who are at fault for things that go wrong (cf. scapegoat). I have the same fault. If I could, I’d call a major airstrike on Lower Manhattan during a Wednesday afternoon, and apologize for the collateral damage..
But I digress. The RepLepoDingDongs are trying to make illegal (Mexican) immigrants the reason for all our economic problems. This is pretty much the same approach the (unnamed so as not to violate Godwin’s Law) Party took with Jews in ’30s Germany. Whatever impact illegal immigrants have on the overall economy, it is certainly dwarfed by the collapse of the derivatives market — I’m certain that exactly zero illegal immigrants participated in any of the CDO’s or CDS’s that collapsed the global financial system.
But, of course, facts do not matter when you’re trying to frame the discussion.
After this whole rant agreeing with you about the parallel with German Jews in the ’30s, I’d suggest that you use that analogy carefully. The ’30’s were 70-80 years ago; almost no one has living memories; it’s unfortunately easy to fluff off. I try to focus on the underlying falsehood — immigrants did not cause the economic meltdown; bitching at them distracts from addressing the real problems. Of course, your basic TeaBeliever doesn’t care about facts.
Mag the Mick…I agree with you! Well said! Mrs. Palin is keeping the “hate”
and “fear” mentality spreading. Her “pimps” (wealthy business men) know
that you can control people if you keep them in fear. ‘Political Prostitute’,
Sarah Palin is their puppet. As long as she can haul her “gold” to the bank,
she will whip of fear. Yes, she and her puppet masters can be compared to
the situation with the Jews in Germany and Hitler.(1930) There are lots of parallels!
And the cowards in Utah, state employees, sending out lists of illegas to the
media and law enforcement officers. American will fall by its own people!!
This is off-topic, but may be of interest. Jeanne, I don’t know WHY this computer won’t let me post directly and you keep having to approve it. I’m really sorry. I know it has to be a real PITA for you. Thank you. D
All, Republican strategist admits that public confusion about FinReg makes it easier to attack:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/07/gop_strategist_finreg_easy_to.html
(Hat tip ethan!)
Posted by: Greg Sargent | July 15, 2010 12:08 PM
This is off-topic, but may be of interest. Jeanne, I don’t know WHY this computer won’t let me post directly and you keep having to approve it. I’m really sorry. I know it has to be a real PITA for you. Thank you. D
All, Republican strategist admits that public confusion about FinReg makes it easier to attack:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/07/gop_strategist_finreg_easy_to.html
(Hat tip ethan!)
Posted by: Greg Sargent | July 15, 2010 12:08 PM
Readers comment on why what Palin tells us gives us important incite into her character as well as what it shows us about her decision making:
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/07/believing-sarah-palin-ctd-1.html#more
Readers comment on why what Palin tells us gives us important incite into her character as well as what it shows us about her decision making:
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/07/believing-sarah-palin-ctd-1.html#more
Talk about ironic. This snopes article is too real to even be funny.
http://www.snopes.com/photos/advertisements/humble.asp
Talk about ironic. This snopes article is too real to even be funny.
http://www.snopes.com/photos/advertisements/humble.asp
Hey, are others having problems getting to this site? I’ve only been able to get here from Immoral Minority, otherwise the message involves a database connection error.
I had trouble this afternoon. Patrick over on Pgates said it might have something to do with Andrew Sullivan linking here from his page today. Too much traffic ? I didn’t check to see what he linked to tho.
nswfm, that is the only way I have been able to get here as well. I am getting the same message, and have for several hours. Finally tried the link and got through.
That’s how I got here….from IM.
You’re not alone. It took several hours to get here. My first attempt gave me a peculiar-looking page with odd formatting. Then error messages each time I tried thereafter.
Hey, are others having problems getting to this site? I’ve only been able to get here from Immoral Minority, otherwise the message involves a database connection error.
I had trouble this afternoon. Patrick over on Pgates said it might have something to do with Andrew Sullivan linking here from his page today. Too much traffic ? I didn’t check to see what he linked to tho.
nswfm, that is the only way I have been able to get here as well. I am getting the same message, and have for several hours. Finally tried the link and got through.
That’s how I got here….from IM.
You’re not alone. It took several hours to get here. My first attempt gave me a peculiar-looking page with odd formatting. Then error messages each time I tried thereafter.
This HuffPo article is chilling:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/14/utah-illegal-immigration-_n_646955.html
“The list contains Social Security numbers, birth dates, workplaces, addresses and phone numbers. Names of children are included, along with due dates of pregnant women on the list.”
This is outrageous violation of civil rights and privacy. Whoever is responsible for getting personal information and disseminating it like this – sent from an anonymous group to reporters, state officials and politicians – needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
Hey Ms I Love My Freedoms Palin – why aren’t you condemning this? Is the thin mountain air killing your last brain cell? THIS is a clear example of violation of freedom in this country.
I have a green card and was thinking of getting citizenship – now I may reconsider, because clearly if you have a foreign sounding name, you are probably illegal so therefore it’s open season on your private life. Legal status doesn’t matter anymore apparently in Utah. So the cancer started in AZ, 9 states back the Round Up Immigrants Law and now this incident in Utah. How long before we start to see this in IL? Oh wait….
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/14/homer-township-declares-e_n_646391.html
“Homer Township, a village of about 25,000 people roughly 35 miles southwest of Chicago, unanimously approved a resolution this week making English the town’s official language, according to the Chicago Tribune. Was a problem with illegal immigration in the town to blame? Well, not really.”
Hey, we don’t have an illegal immigrant issue here in Homer Township but you better speak English, it’s the official language!
Can someone clarify for me – if a person has a SSN doesn’t that mean they have legal status? So isn’t this supposed Illegals List just a list of….legal Americans with foreign names? If they have SSN?
They are implying that these social security numbers are fraudulent.
Simply posting individual’s social security numbers is a crime, I think. If it isn’t, it should be!
I do believe that posting SS#s is a crime. In addition, I heard a report that some of the medical information that’s being posted is against HIPAA laws as well and they’re looking into health-related businesses as a possible source of some of the information.
This is an extremely frightening story since apparently some of the people on that list are legal and are afraid of being harassed,arrested or put in danger from vigilantes.
Whoever did this should rot in jail for a very long time.
I believe you are correct, getting a SSN requires proof of legal residency. It’s been awhile, but I believe I had to supply a birth certificate for my children to be issued a SSN.
People “borrow” an SS# or just make one up. Either way they pay into a system that they get nothing back from unless they become legal.
Thanks for calling Palin out on this. She who was so quick to after the NAACP just can’t seem to be bothered about invasion of privacy issues or law-breaking.
What a piece of work she is – a poorly crafted piece of work at that.
When I first heard this story on the news last night, my mind immediately flashed back to the old days of the Soviet Union, where people were strongly encouraged to spy and inform on each other. I traveled to Russia both before and shortly after the collapse of the SU and it amazed me how much more relaxed people were afterwards because they weren’t so worried about being turned in to the authorities for some trumped up charges. During the earlier trips, the people in my group were warned about being too open with our opinions regarding the government, and there were people stationed on every floor of our hotel who kept very close track of when we came and went. They also held the keys to all the rooms which we were not allowed to keep ourselves.
I was chaperoning a group of high school students in Russia in April of ’86 and we arrived in Kiev the day after Chernobyl exploded (oops, they forgot to mention that tiny little problem to us before we left Moscow!). We all tried to call home to tell our families that we were okay and update them on our evacuation plans. Every time we mentioned the accident, the connection got very fuzzy. As soon as we changed the subject, the line miraculously cleared up. There was no doubt that our calls were being monitored and our group was being closely watched.
We also had several ‘college students’ join our tour after one of our obnoxious hs boys decided to sit on a display platform in one of the Moscow museums. The men were clearly too old for college and made no attempt to interact with us but DID watch everything we did and take notes. It was extremely disconcerting to know we had some sort of government agents spying on us.
I find it very ironic that the same people who scream about government being too intrusive and PO being a commie and socialist are the very people supporting the same type of informing on your neighbors that the Soviets were famous for.
Very scary stuff…
This HuffPo article is chilling:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/14/utah-illegal-immigration-_n_646955.html
“The list contains Social Security numbers, birth dates, workplaces, addresses and phone numbers. Names of children are included, along with due dates of pregnant women on the list.”
This is outrageous violation of civil rights and privacy. Whoever is responsible for getting personal information and disseminating it like this – sent from an anonymous group to reporters, state officials and politicians – needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
Hey Ms I Love My Freedoms Palin – why aren’t you condemning this? Is the thin mountain air killing your last brain cell? THIS is a clear example of violation of freedom in this country.
I have a green card and was thinking of getting citizenship – now I may reconsider, because clearly if you have a foreign sounding name, you are probably illegal so therefore it’s open season on your private life. Legal status doesn’t matter anymore apparently in Utah. So the cancer started in AZ, 9 states back the Round Up Immigrants Law and now this incident in Utah. How long before we start to see this in IL? Oh wait….
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/14/homer-township-declares-e_n_646391.html
“Homer Township, a village of about 25,000 people roughly 35 miles southwest of Chicago, unanimously approved a resolution this week making English the town’s official language, according to the Chicago Tribune. Was a problem with illegal immigration in the town to blame? Well, not really.”
Hey, we don’t have an illegal immigrant issue here in Homer Township but you better speak English, it’s the official language!
Can someone clarify for me – if a person has a SSN doesn’t that mean they have legal status? So isn’t this supposed Illegals List just a list of….legal Americans with foreign names? If they have SSN?
They are implying that these social security numbers are fraudulent.
Simply posting individual’s social security numbers is a crime, I think. If it isn’t, it should be!
I do believe that posting SS#s is a crime. In addition, I heard a report that some of the medical information that’s being posted is against HIPAA laws as well and they’re looking into health-related businesses as a possible source of some of the information.
This is an extremely frightening story since apparently some of the people on that list are legal and are afraid of being harassed,arrested or put in danger from vigilantes.
Whoever did this should rot in jail for a very long time.
I believe you are correct, getting a SSN requires proof of legal residency. It’s been awhile, but I believe I had to supply a birth certificate for my children to be issued a SSN.
People “borrow” an SS# or just make one up. Either way they pay into a system that they get nothing back from unless they become legal.
Thanks for calling Palin out on this. She who was so quick to after the NAACP just can’t seem to be bothered about invasion of privacy issues or law-breaking.
What a piece of work she is – a poorly crafted piece of work at that.
When I first heard this story on the news last night, my mind immediately flashed back to the old days of the Soviet Union, where people were strongly encouraged to spy and inform on each other. I traveled to Russia both before and shortly after the collapse of the SU and it amazed me how much more relaxed people were afterwards because they weren’t so worried about being turned in to the authorities for some trumped up charges. During the earlier trips, the people in my group were warned about being too open with our opinions regarding the government, and there were people stationed on every floor of our hotel who kept very close track of when we came and went. They also held the keys to all the rooms which we were not allowed to keep ourselves.
I was chaperoning a group of high school students in Russia in April of ’86 and we arrived in Kiev the day after Chernobyl exploded (oops, they forgot to mention that tiny little problem to us before we left Moscow!). We all tried to call home to tell our families that we were okay and update them on our evacuation plans. Every time we mentioned the accident, the connection got very fuzzy. As soon as we changed the subject, the line miraculously cleared up. There was no doubt that our calls were being monitored and our group was being closely watched.
We also had several ‘college students’ join our tour after one of our obnoxious hs boys decided to sit on a display platform in one of the Moscow museums. The men were clearly too old for college and made no attempt to interact with us but DID watch everything we did and take notes. It was extremely disconcerting to know we had some sort of government agents spying on us.
I find it very ironic that the same people who scream about government being too intrusive and PO being a commie and socialist are the very people supporting the same type of informing on your neighbors that the Soviets were famous for.
Very scary stuff…
Why President Obama Loses by Winning :
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/39772.html
***** The imminent passage of financial reform, just a couple months after the passage of comprehensive health care, should decisively end the narrative that President Obama represents a Jimmy Carter-style case of naïve hope crushed by the inability to master Washington.
Yet the mystery remains: Having moved swiftly toward achieving the very policy objectives he promised voters as a candidate, Obama is still widely perceived as flirting with a failed presidency. *******
I get so frustrated–Obama has accomplished more in his term than any president during my lifetime. Progressives and independents had better start pulling together and supporting this man before we end up losing him to the GOP nominee…Palin anyone?
And don’t forget the 20Billion from BP for the people of the Gulf, no small thing.
He just doesn’t get in our faces with Mission Accomplished banners and PR stunts and every time they arrest a real terrorist they don’t have a press conference. Do people prefer a Potemkin President where everything is for show or someone who is just doing the job?
Widely perceived by whom? I just don’t buy this. I don’t think it’s a diabolical plot cooked up by the far right–I think it’s corporate journalism and a need to whip up conflict and drama rather than research the fairly complicated situations we’re dealing with, and report accurately on those. You know, the way Rachel Maddow on “No Ratings” MSNBC does.
Politico are a bunch of inside-the-Beltway dorks who spent a year or so trying to get some traction on the left, realized that the left thought they were a bunch of dorks, and have spent the last couple of years weasling towards the righties.
I try to check linkies, and if Politico, I do not click. Once in a blue moon, they actually get a piece of valid news, but I try to wait until I can obtain it from a third-party source, and deny them any page-views.
Why President Obama Loses by Winning :
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/39772.html
***** The imminent passage of financial reform, just a couple months after the passage of comprehensive health care, should decisively end the narrative that President Obama represents a Jimmy Carter-style case of naïve hope crushed by the inability to master Washington.
Yet the mystery remains: Having moved swiftly toward achieving the very policy objectives he promised voters as a candidate, Obama is still widely perceived as flirting with a failed presidency. *******
I get so frustrated–Obama has accomplished more in his term than any president during my lifetime. Progressives and independents had better start pulling together and supporting this man before we end up losing him to the GOP nominee…Palin anyone?
And don’t forget the 20Billion from BP for the people of the Gulf, no small thing.
He just doesn’t get in our faces with Mission Accomplished banners and PR stunts and every time they arrest a real terrorist they don’t have a press conference. Do people prefer a Potemkin President where everything is for show or someone who is just doing the job?
Widely perceived by whom? I just don’t buy this. I don’t think it’s a diabolical plot cooked up by the far right–I think it’s corporate journalism and a need to whip up conflict and drama rather than research the fairly complicated situations we’re dealing with, and report accurately on those. You know, the way Rachel Maddow on “No Ratings” MSNBC does.
Politico are a bunch of inside-the-Beltway dorks who spent a year or so trying to get some traction on the left, realized that the left thought they were a bunch of dorks, and have spent the last couple of years weasling towards the righties.
I try to check linkies, and if Politico, I do not click. Once in a blue moon, they actually get a piece of valid news, but I try to wait until I can obtain it from a third-party source, and deny them any page-views.
I know that we are all elite & educated & above reading/commenting about these things, but if you can handle curse words and crass language, TBogg is a master, and his take on the engagement is something special:
http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2010/07/14/the-blow-job-not-taken/#comments
The title alone is hilarious!
ROFL at Snowpack Snooki. 🙂
I know that we are all elite & educated & above reading/commenting about these things, but if you can handle curse words and crass language, TBogg is a master, and his take on the engagement is something special:
http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2010/07/14/the-blow-job-not-taken/#comments
The title alone is hilarious!
ROFL at Snowpack Snooki. 🙂
Sarah Palin, from pit bull to mama grizzly
I got a laugh from this tongue-in-cheek (or should I say trunk-in-mouth) opinion piece by Kathleen Parker. My favorite line:
“Womanhood has become a zoo. And we thought men were the beasts.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/13/AR2010071304635.html
trunk-in-mouth. VERRY good. I’ll be stealing that.
Sarah Palin, from pit bull to mama grizzly
I got a laugh from this tongue-in-cheek (or should I say trunk-in-mouth) opinion piece by Kathleen Parker. My favorite line:
“Womanhood has become a zoo. And we thought men were the beasts.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/13/AR2010071304635.html
trunk-in-mouth. VERRY good. I’ll be stealing that.
Pretty in pink!
Pretty in pink!