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Open Thread – Um. No.

This campaign slogan was used by Barry Goldwater in 1964. Things were going really well, until the opposition countered with “In Your Guts, You Know He’s Nuts.”

I’m just sayin’.

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  1. leenie17 says:

    Here’s an interesting story I just stumbled across of President Obama’s decision to intervene and save the lives of six Israelis when their embassy in Cairo was surrounded by an angry mob recently. It’s one of those good things that nobody ever hears about. He is truly a man of compassion.

    http://www.israelpolicyforum.org/blog/efraim-halevy-obama-showed-leadership-historic-dimensions-save-israelis-cairo-embassy

  2. marcuswelbymd says:

    Sarah Palin is the biggest joke. Did she and Todd snort cocaine on oil drums during snow-mobiling (oh, excuse me, Snow- machining)? Maybe yes and maybe no, but Sarah has lied and smeared so many people as naturally as a coke addict sucking up the white gold, that it’s karma – what goes around comes around, although she may not like it.

  3. Zyxomma says:

    This is a subject near and dear to me: health, what promotes it, and what compromises it. “We,” meaning the US and its politician-paying corporations, are bad actors in this. The lobbying taking place around it is going to be hair-raising:

    http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-09-16/nestle-glaxo-lobby-un-over-biggest-epidemic-battle-since-aids.html

    “The EU and U.S. pushed to remove references to “epidemic” to avoid making an implicit link between the declaration and non-communicable diseases. Instead, the revised draft document describes the diseases as “a challenge of epidemic proportions.”

    “Asked what concern the U.S. has with the word “epidemic,” Andy Laine, a spokesman for the State Department in Washington, said he couldn’t “go into specifics” about ongoing talks.”

  4. Really? says:

    Today is Constitution Day at our local public school. Schools receiving fedeal monies are required to teach about the United States Constitution. I thought teaching about the United States Constitution was a part of any regular Social Studies class. Our family talks about the Constitution on a daily basis. Have a great day everyone.

    • mikefromiowa says:

      Apparently there are at least two Constitutions, the one we grew up learning about and the rwnj constitution that says rwnj are always right.

  5. Mag the Mick says:

    Barry Goldwater was close friends with my uncle who helped raise me. “Uncle Barry” was in and out of the house all the time, showing up in Ajo with a big station wagon, or later on, in his own helicopter. He always filled the station wagon with kids and always took us to the Dairy Queen when he was in town. We remember him politically as this right-wing kook, but he also had a good record of talking to the opposition, of trying to find common ground, and of treating people with courtesy and respect. One of my early memories is of him squatting down under the mesquite tree in the back yard, speaking Spanish with the “muchachos”, the Mexican yard crew my uncle had around. Many year later, he spoke at my college’s graduation, and I remember him speaking Navajo with the family of one of the Navajo students.

    But still, I remember this: When that button and slogan came out, I would gather with certain of my cousins (the bad ones) and we’d giggle “In your heart, you know he’s a fart.”

  6. Dagian says:

    Sarah Palin — ’cause crazy just ain’t crazy enough!

    • mikefromiowa says:

      At the risk of being pilloried,I stated a short while back that Bernie Sanders was the ONE politician that i would be sure to vote for in 2012. If Obama and others had this man’s
      s backbone would could be sure of kicking rethuglican butt next year.

      • Lani says:

        You won’t be pilloried by me! I luvs me some Bernie! I signed up on his website long ago to receive his newsletters and videos. Unlike many in Congress, he welcomes correspondence from everyone, not just peeps in his state. Many call him “the people’s senator”, and that sounds accurate to me!

        If you haven’t seen Moore’s “Capitalism – A Love Story” yet, check it out. It is great in general, but also includes an interview with Sen. Sanders.

        Confession: 2 years ago when I visited a friend in Vermont, I made it my mission to visit his Burlington office to leave a thank you letter for him.

      • Smokey Mountain Blue says:

        Since I don’t have any senators or congressmen that support my values here in Tennessee, I send my money to Senator Sanders.

  7. kingfish says:

    I saw a t-shirt for sale that read :

    “Palin 2012-2014 1/2”.

    Sounded about right.

  8. mikefromiowa says:

    Conpared to the extreme right wing nutters we have today,Goldwater appears,in hindsight,as a much kinder and gentler,maybe even docile,almost human being.

    • Yeah, and you can say the same thing about Raegan. But then when you start looking at what tey said and did, what comes through is that they are the ones who started the current republicans down their crazy path. It’s like the current group have taken some ideas and worked themselves into a frenzy, which has just led them farther and farther to the right. If we are lucky, pretty soon they’ll be so far right, they’ll fall off the far end of our flat earth.

    • Dagian says:

      Yeah, but isn’t that kind of like noting that Barbie dolls are less horrible than Bratz?

      I was never a fan of dolls as a child, but I look at Barbie dolls now and think that at least they have a sunny smile (even if the proportions are horrifyingly out of whack), while I see some others and just want to shudder.

      My daughter was never a big fan of dolls, either. She played with them, but she was never a big collector or doll clothes-horse. I did buy her a little 10 pack of Barbie outfits once for her birthday. They were used and then discarded as nature intended. Barbies seem to spend a lot of time naked and with limbs strewn about the house… My son hosted a fair number of tea parties for himself and various stuffed animals. I figure this means if a child or children are in his future, he will be an awesome daddy/uncle/other kinda guy.

  9. Krubozumo Nyankoye says:

    There was another one tagged onto Goldwater by the Johnson campaign that stuck tight.

    In your heart you know he’s right – far right.

    • Really? says:

      Good one. In “my heart” I added “far right” to the slogan. When I first read the slogan I did’nt see the P in Palin. I saw ailn. I think ailn is more appropriate.

  10. Zyxomma says:

    In my heart, I know she’s unelectable; let her bots troll the internet all the livelong day declaring otherwise. She bores me.

    OTOH, here’s an interesting article about “speaking Christian:”

    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/31/do-you-speak-christian/

  11. lacy lady says:

    Think this might be the end of Palin’s run for the white house?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/15/joe-mcginniss-sarah-palin-rogue-book_n_964091.html?ref=sarah-palin

  12. Jim K says:

    She took a stand, the problem is that it was only for one night, she was young and tight on a dozen bottles of Bud light, if one of the bottles should happen to fall Sarah can say she still had a ball because she was young and tight even without the Bud light.

  13. Baker's Dozen says:

    I have decided that the Republican Party–think LIncoln and King–has changed drastically, but the people who now belong to it have not changed in over 225 years. Remember when Whoopi Goldberg challenged McCain about his statement of going back to the original constitution when slavery was legal? Well, not to stereotype, but, frankly, it looks like most of them do. I mean, if the South had won, our country either split or stayed half slave owning, when do we think the South would have voluntarily given up that little cultural institution? Most Southerners didn’t own slaves, but they still supported the institution. And it was all framed in “states rights.” Ah, the Tenth Amendment. They’ve just changed the language to be more PC.
    After the war, they went to “hiring” prison labor, and to share cropping. Again not everyone had this kind of help, but it seems most supported it.
    Well, that no longer is PC, but in the 60’s, the Republicans ran Goldwater and what was happening? Ah, yes. Civil rights and equal rights and all that. The far right came out and couched their views in the PC of the times. Now, they’ve been joined by big business who wouldn’t mind having people essentially share cropping and stripped of their rights because money is speech and corporations are people.
    And just like in times past, they’ve gotten people who would suffer the most under their ideas to wildly support them. Most of those voting for them would suffer under their regime. But there were slaves who supported slavery and turned in runaways, and there were free blacks who owned slaves themselves. It’s the same today. And there are those who would suffer any fate rather than let a black succeed at the presidency.
    Yes, our country has progressed a great deal, but obviously not everyone has gone along for the ride.
    Do you think Palin or Bachmann would have sharecroppers, or Perry own slaves, or Paul watch people die from epidemics, or Gingrich see the skies turn black from smog, or Romney practice polygamy if he could? I do. Do you think they’d allow Grandfather clauses and literacy tests for voting? I do. I think none of them like minorities, none of them like poor people, and none of them like women.
    The republicans today would vote for the same candidates their grandfathers and great grandfathers voted for, though they were registered Democrats.

  14. lacy lady says:

    Here is a good one on Perry.

    http://www.borowitzreport.com

    Jay Leno and Jimmy Fallon had a hay=day last night with S Palin.

  15. Madeline says:

    Here’s another one from the past:

    Palin 2012 – Chaos 2013

  16. mea says:

    i gathered campaign buttons last election, so i have “deadheads for obama” and “huggers for obama’ and others. i got two mccain/palin buttons….one that had a cartoon dog with lipstick that said “you go, girl” which i gave to my MIL, and one that shows McC/P’s faces with “The Winning Team” on it.
    my MIL wants that one.
    i laugh every time i see it. the winning team my foot.
    i told my MIL that she could only have one, so she kept the one i gave her.

  17. Leota2 says:

    Deep in my heart I know she’s a fright . . . . .

  18. aussiegal77 says:

    First of all, Sarah Palin is no Barry Goldwater. That is a patently ridiculous comparison. Goldwater would have balked at her extremism.

    Secondly – deep down in my heart, my gut and my head – I know she is a lunatic.

  19. Attagirl says:

    I woke up with a headache……….and now it is worse. Please make her go away……..

  20. Bev says:

    What now scares me more then Sarah ever had is any Repub getting in the White House next year…if they do, there “WILL” be real death panels for the poor like me, with less health care and no SSI.
    Just those two things mean me living or dying…my daughter’s meds alone are $1,200 a month, without medicaid we are so lost.

    I thought the Repubs stood for morals and bible, but I guess not when it comes to their fellow men.

    • OMG says:

      That’s why we all have to campaign for the President now. The left blasts him almost as much as the right these days and if he loses….horrors!

      • Yeah, honestly, every time I hear a progressive bash the president I want to ask them who they plan to vote for instead. Would they really want any of those republicans to be in the White House? This is the time that we, as Democrats, need to show some of that solidarity that we all applauded in Wisconsin. Let the republicans tear each other apart – we don’t need to do the same.

        • GoI3ig says:

          Most of the left who “bash” the President do so out of frustration. Although politics is a game of compromise, it should not be one of total capitulation. He has given in to right on almost every issue.

          I suspect there are more than a few who assumed in 2008 that long before his first term was up, we would be out of Iraq (nope), out of Afghanistan (nope), and Gitmo would be closed (nope).

          I’m starting to wonder if the naysayers who claim it doesn’t matter which side is in power may be on to something. Politics is all about power and money, and unfortunately, they are irresistible to both parties.

          • Maddies_Mom says:

            While I agree with your first paragraph, there are some things that are out of his control. He signed an Executive Order to close Gitmo, but the congress wouldn’t fund it. Pres. Obama campaigned on ‘finishing the job’ in Afghanistan, which (unfortunately led to more troops). And Iraq, we’re almost out, as long as he doesn’t give in to the hawks and leave too large a number of ‘training troops’.

    • mikefromiowa says:

      Only for the wealthy.

    • GypsyGirl says:

      That’s the problem Bev. It’s just a smoke & mirrors show about them having “morals” when truly their “morals” are horrific bottom-of-the-barrel “morals.”
      The other problem is relying on 7,000 year old Ancient Middle East mythological religious texts that don’t serve us well in these Modern American times.

    • Don’t kid yourself. The repubs have stood for more money for themselves for a long, long, long time. I think Lincoln might have been the last republican who really cared about people.

  21. msueeck says:

    My grandfather used to predict that this would happen when the people allowed them to make what ever laws they wanted. He said the constitution had been set up that way – that it was formed by the rich from England, and our “rights” were given to us so that they could enlist the help of the endentured servants who had worked off their debts, to fight the English army when they claimed independence from them. Now I believe him!

  22. GoI3ig says:

    Bill Maher said it best Monday on the Tonight Show. “The liberals have moved to the center, the the conservatives got on the short bus to crazy town.”

    Bachman, Palin, Perry, Santorum….you can’t make this stuff up.

  23. OMG says:

    Another great column about the right’s let-em-die mentality (after the Ron Paul debate answer):

    “So the freedom to die extends, in practice, to children and the unlucky as well as the improvident. And the right’s embrace of that notion signals an important shift in the nature of American politics. ”

    and…

    “And what this means is that modern conservatism is actually a deeply radical movement, one that is hostile to the kind of society we’ve had for the past three generations — that is, a society that, acting through the government, tries to mitigate some of the “common hazards of life” through such programs as Social Security, unemployment insurance, Medicare and Medicaid. ”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/16/opinion/krugman-free-to-die.html?_r=1&hp

    • aussiegal77 says:

      I mean it’s just crazy talk! And they claim to be Christians?! It’s chilling. Pro life, my ass. More like pro self and pro greed.

      I used to think Ron Paul was a kook and fairly harmless but after seeing his debate answers and seeing some of his supporters comments in online threads? WOW. CRAZY. And – immoral. Well done, GOP, you’ve well and truly let the inmates run the asylum.

      It’s chilling the way these Tea Party people talk about human beings and circumstances like as if it’s all just some random cosmic ball game. Oh, sorry! You were unlucky and born with epilepsy! No insurance for you! These companies have to make money and can therefore exclude you, sorry old chap, free markets and all that! It’s sickening.

      And his whole thing about Africa being in a drought & famine cuz it’s got too much of “teh socialisms”? CRAZY. Hello Ron Paul – Somalia is THE MOST free of free market models! So much so that it’s basically an anarchy! I don’t see much that is good about what is going on in that country. But I guess the people there just have to suck it up and be pirates – because you know….free markets! I mean, hey, if being a pirate, plundering from your neighbours and anyone else who gets in your way is the way of the free market in your neighbourhood then it’s just against Freedom and Liberty NOT to do that!!!

      Ron Paul’s kind of freedom sounds like it only benefits those who have no conscience.

      • I’ve thought for a long time that we should send all of our smaller or no government citizens to Somalia. Let them live there for a while and see how much they really like what they keep trying to push off on the rest of us.

  24. OMG says:

    This is an extremely important column about taking back the Constitution from the far right movement–pass it along to everyone you know:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/recovering-the-constitution-from-conservatives/2011/09/15/gIQAQ2EfVK_story.html?hpid=z3

  25. thatcrowwoman says:

    Here’s a peek at moment of zen for the weekend, courtesy of NASA.
    Harvest moon over Turin, Italy

    http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html

    with bird in flight
    now that’s some sweet shalom
    tcw

    • ks sunflower says:

      I just sent your link to our daughter. She’d sent a photo of Beijing just after mid-day and you can barely see the sun – no, it wasn’t a cloudy day. It was pollution blocking out the sky! So this photo will remind her of the beauty the smog is hiding.

      May we never, ever allow the GOP/TP to deregulate our businesses to the point where the smog is blocking the sun.

      • leenie17 says:

        I was there in 1988 and, on top of the industrial pollution which was already bad, there was a dust storm that covered the whole region. Everything was dirty and it was hard to breathe. We were so excited to see the pandas in the Beijing Zoo…except the poor things were black and brown instead of black and white! All of the photos I took there look like sepia prints.

    • weaver57 says:

      Thanks for that beautiful link. Have bookmarked it.

      • thatcrowwoman says:

        Our tax dollars at work, thank NASA.

        New picture every day, and archives always at our fingertips.
        Enjoy! Share widely!
        thatcrowwoman

    • Thanks, tcw. I just sent that to all my family. And I’ve bookmarked it – I know I’ll want to look at that one later. ♥

    • leenie17 says:

      Gorgeous…just posted it on Facebook.

    • mikefromiowa says:

      I’m sure I recognize those wings touring Turin. It has to be Mag who wasn’t fooling about sprouting wings and flying away.

  26. Palmer gal says:

    So, this morning my facebook newsfeed was blowing up with at least 50 people saying they now want to meet Sarah more than ever. I live in Palmer.

    Yes, it’s true many have not met her or her family. luckily for her, most people in the country don’t personally judge someone based on others’ words or experiences.

  27. thatcrowwoman says:

    In your heart you know
    $he’s So Far right
    $he’s Wrong.

    There ya go. Fixed it.

    In our Guts
    We Know $he’s Nuts.

    Mmmmhhhmmmm…that’ll still work.

    In our brains
    we know $he’s insane.

    oh, this could get out of hand…
    🙂

    L’Shalom,
    thatcrowwoman

    • WakeUpAmerica says:

      You’re awesome. I’m still working on that first cup of coffee before facing my first class of teenage miscreants, bless their little hearts.

    • ks sunflower says:

      I agree with WakeUpAmerica, you are awesome. Thanks to AKM as well for getting our creative juices flowing and our funny bone giggling (after the initial scare that some people still think Palin is The One).

    • Jo says:

      Oh you made me laugh out loud. These are great.

    • GypsyGirl says:

      Keep going!!! You’re on a fabulous roll! 😀

      • thatcrowwoman says:

        In my spleen
        I know $he’s mean.

        In my liver
        $he makes me shiver.

        In my eyes
        $he’s full of lies.

        In my nails
        I know $he fails.

        In my knees
        I know $he’s a tease.

        In my pancreas
        I know $he’s under the bus.

        In my gall bladder
        I know $he shouldn’t matter.
        🙂

        hahahaha caw Caw CAW!

    • mikefromiowa says:

      keep the mojo flowing and maybe we wtll all be infested with sloganeering.

  28. OMG says:

    I can not believe that she’s still taken seriously by anyone let alone the million or so bots that want her to embarrass and ruin the country.

  29. Diane says:

    Every 50 years or so, the republicans have major crazies, in between they have minor ones.
    Except for this year, every single one of them is a major.

    In your brain, you know they will drain
    the economy for you and me.
    Please don’t vote for the insanity!!!!

    • mikefromiowa says:

      Nixon,Frod,Raygun,Bushwhack 41 and dumbass dubya. I can’t remember which of these guys,if any,were actually sane or competent.

      • jwa says:

        In all fairness, I thought 41 wasn’t too bad. As one example (in contrast to his son) they went to Kuwait, did the mission and CAME HOME. At the time the other Repub saber-rattlers were wetting their pants to go on to Baghdad, and Bush and Powell said no. Much to their credit.

        Ten years later, sonny boy lied to get us into war with Saddam, and another 10 years later – we’re still there.

        • benlomond2 says:

          Bush 41 actually saw REAL combat, and was shot down in the Pacifc, floated in a raft overnite and was rescued by a sub….. the other three, “Eh!”

  30. fishingmamma says:

    I remember the Goldwater campaign. The opposition also said “Goldwater 64, bread & water 66” We had that poster hanging in our house.

    • mikefromiowa says:

      I remember the slogan-“in your heart you know he’s right” at the end of the daisy ad. I also remember Rethuglicans crying foul about the daisy ad.

    • Nubiannut says:

      I remember a soft drink called “Goldwater” during that election.. After the election the grocery stores where I lived in Greensboro, NC had signs on the leftover stock ” In your heart you know it’s 7-Up”.
      If memory serves it sold out pretty quickly. Wish I had a few cottles or cans to sell on ebay!

  31. cecil travis says:

    Dear Lord! Please send Sarah to Thailand for the “youth in Asia” conference.

    • WakeUpAmerica says:

      Dear God, please drop the Tundra Turd in the blow hole below Ensenada in Baja, Mexico.

    • aussiegal77 says:

      Dear God, please SAVE US ALL from the Palin Plague.

    • leenie17 says:

      I vote for a tiny island somewhere in the middle of the Pacific. She can hire some strapping young men from the mainland to carry her around on a litter all day like Cleopatra, with two more servants fanning her with palm fronds and feeding her grapes. There can be a little studio with a fake camera so she can ‘broadcast’ any time she wants without subjecting any live human beings to her incessant, lie-filled screeching.

      She can even build her very own Taco Bell so she can indulge in her favorite crunch wrap supremes 24 hours a day. Of course, she’d also need a nice big refrigerator with a bright target on the specially reinforced door to help her aim when she gets cranky, with a year’s supply of canned goods for ammunition.

      And, of course, we can’t forget the special ‘marathon’ race course, with the finish line only 15 yards from the start line and a group of overenthusiastic fans cheering her on as she strolls across the finish to receive her medal…gold, naturally, since no one else is permitted to enter.

      Most importantly, she should NEVER be allowed to leave the island…EVER!

      • mikefromiowa says:

        Why fool around,just send her COD to the landfill and she can live happoly ever after in all the litter she could hope for.