Anchorage Public Testimony on Non-Discrimination Ordinance – Chapter III.
Today, Anchorage’s Non-Discrimination Ordinance is being discussed for the third time in the Assembly Chambers. If you’re not up to speed, I’ve recently written several posts on the subject.
If you are in Anchorage, please come to show support for the ordinance. Even if you don’t testify, your presence can be felt, and it’s an eye-opening experience to witness the goings on first hand.
You can stream the Assembly meeting live HERE.
Use this thread to live blog the event. This is the one where Jerry Prevo of the Anchorage Baptist Temple has canceled the Wednesday night service so members can “overwhelm” the Assembly.
Testimony goes from 4pm – 10pm Alaska time (5-11 Pacific, 8-midnight Eastern)
Take a deep breath…
1612.
because I can. 😎
Just read all the rest of the posts.
I just can’t believe there were SOOOOOOO many hateful, discriminatory folks out there throwing God into the mix. I’m pretty sure God would be VERY angry with these folks.
Now that I’m sober and the hangover is subsiding, I’m still at a complete loss on the whole bathroom thing. Don’t men and women use the same bathrooms in their own houses? So what’s the big deal if a guy walks into a Ladies’ room with a dress on? I hardly think it will scar the little ones for life. But really, I doubt that would happen JUST because the ordinance passes. It will happen REGARDLESS of the ordinance. Just sayin’.
Sidenote: My girlfriends and I have used the Mens’ rooms MANY a time at crowded sports or concert venues, in emergency, when the Ladies’ lines were too long to avoid an accident. Guess what!? NO ONE, not the guys, not the gals, had a problem with that. NO ONE. The guys were even nice enough to let us go first on occasion. OK… we did have one problem. Guys are absolute pigs in public restrooms. It’s disgusting to witness. God, they’re messy!!!
Finally, wouldn’t these folks RATHER the gays have homes and a way to pay for them? This would keep them off the streets where they do all that nasty gay stuff.
No one – and I mean NO ONE – thinks more about the sexual habits of others than this group of degenerates. I’m sure gays go to work just like the rest of us and don’t think about what kind of sex the straights are having all day.
This is just absurd. Can’t wait for Tuesday for more peeing in my pants laughter with all you fine folks. That was the best chuckle I’ve had in MONTHS! Thanks, all, for your intelligent and witty commentary. I’m going to try to live stream it next time so I can really get into it.
XOXO
I don’t know what the stats are now, but decades ago there was a high rate of gay suicides. You can see why. If a child was raised under such false beliefs that being gay is a choice from parents that are so vicious and hateful regarding homosexuality. There really is very little hope for the Red’s because they will only be fraternizing with like-minded people, unless they broaden their horizons and sphere.
Samper,
Surprised we haven’t heard Reds ask for their special rights for:
CP OCD
(See Pee OCD) for the bathroom fixation
You guys know the ‘OTHER’ one!!
I propose a trade…we’ll take all your redsh1ts (oops…noticed the typo, but think I’ll leave it) if you’ll take Fred Phelps…he makes these people look like amateurs.
I read about 14 pages last night (getting progressively more “glowy” from the rum) before these old bones needed some rest.
I’m doing laundry today… too much ROFLMAO and PIP (peeing in pants from laughing). I was literally sitting here, all alone, LMAO! Kitties think I’m ready for the asylum.
And I WOULD be, if I had to endure what you guys did.
WHAT IS WITH THIS BATHROOM OBSESSION? I mean, come ON! In 45 years, I’ve never had an “incident” in public bathrooms. NEVER ONCE.
And I’ve tried them all… restaraunts, rest areas, gas stations, even latrines in Michigan’s “wilderness”.
NEVER an incident. Every time, all over the world, I went into the bathroom for its intended purpose and came out unscathed.
Will allowing gays the right to housing and health care really change all that? Am I doomed to being afraid of public restrooms because they’re all going to be cross dressing and attacking me while I wash my hands?
REALLY?
Wow, y’all endured a nightmare last night! So red shirts are animal abusers, too. Why am I not surprised?
Whew! I’m sure glad I got through the first 13 pages last night before I went to bed. You guys are amazing.
I stopped reading after page 16, but I do think Anchorage needs a ton of bathroom monitors in public bathrooms after reading all this. =) It’s still very hard for me to believe there are so many people are so highly uneducated. Blows me away to read all this hate and discmination against gays.
I could be wrong, but isn’t this the girl whom Sheila Selkregg spoke to at length? A seasoned hater still with braces on her teeth.
http://www.ktva.com/video?bcpid=1641243975&bclid=1632695727&bctid=1761990935
Hola. I live in Anchorage and took some photos of the demonstrations outside the Loussac Library tonight (Wednesday the 17th). A hell of an event! The blues were in top form. I was hoping to see the “Jesus is the Lord of Alaska” folks, but alas… they had fled the threatening onslaught of tolerance. Anyhow, thanks for the coverage, as always ~~
More photos, if anybody’s interested, are here:
http://floridana.typepad.com/
Shannyn, you were terrific, and you’re very lucky to have such a smart Watson! lol
Nan
I forgot to say – Kelly is a better person than me if he didn’t deck the jerk who hit your dog for peeing his mind.
I almost took on a Animal Control Officer a few years back when he picked up my aging, ailing dog from resting in a driveway. Luckily the ACO was very calm, and probably saw that one harsh word to me would escalate the situation beyond belief. If he had been a jerk, I would have landed in jail I’m sure but I sure would have gotten my licks in first! Hands OFF my furry kids!
Yeah Shannyn! We are YOUR community, too!
Just checking in here, so I missed all the “fun” earlier. I’ll have to catch up later. Shannyn–sorry to hear that you didn’t get to take Brian with you. Poor Watson; I hope he’s okay (and that you or Kelly took care of the hitter!).
Sounds like we still have rounds to go on this one. Wish I could be there to support.
Just wanted you all in Mudville to know I searched for AKM to take Brian up with me and set him on the podium. Knowing you were all where ever you were, drinking, chatting, and supporting our fight here in Anchorage meant so much to me. This is our fight; regardless of our “sexual orientation.” This is a righteous fight…despite fighting the “righteous.” Thank you for your alliance!
Kelly and I both testified. Yes, he’s smokin’ hot…ha, did you think I’d be with some lumberjack? (not that there’s anything wrong with that.) He is an amazing advocate and support for me, I couldn’t do it without him.
Watson (the Schnauzer) peed on a “No on 64” sign and then was hit by a red shirter. Kelly wasn’t pleased…
AKM, you have an amazing community in Mudflats and I love getting to visit! xo!
I didn’t read all of these because even 6 pages of these psychos was over my limit. How many more of these dolts can say the same bs to the group. Why wait for more BS for next week?
Martha Unalaska
Good one! (and you’re right)
I can’t imagine a worse he11 than living inside the head of one of these red shirts. Just had to say that. We have got a lot of interesting mudpups who gather here – and you are all interesting for the very same reasons that they are NOT! Can you imagine how awful and boring a red shirt blog would be? Ohhh… guess we already know that don’t we!
justafarmer…try the hair of the dog and if that doesn’t work…just take a nice long nap.
AKM…thanks for the update. It did seem there were more red shirts. I was reading and not watching as my stream sucked. I was depending on this blog.
Hope you have some great food and wine tonight! Love you all!
Understood, califpat. Glad you were there, too 🙂
Nan
As usual Mudpups you were hilarious, empathetic, intelligent and just plain old wonderful. I thoroughly enjoyed the evening, only because you were there. If I had to see and hear the hate and bigotry that was spewed alone, I would need medical attention.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
off to bed before I have keyboard marks on my face…
Sure, why not!!!! Canadian, let me take over and you rest those digits!! LOL!
Yup — It’s time to blow this pop stand!!
Pleasant Dreams Mudpups!!
Whoa! 1,600 posts, you guys!
Gramiam,
They have themselves twisted around. Haven’t typed this much in years!!
Niters, all mudpups. Off to dreamland where everybody wears blue shirts and Daisy Dukes and winks are outlawed.
GreatGrey – I stand corrected.
I must have mixed up the date of whatever it was. After last night, there’s no telling what I was looking at. (oops?)
Nan
New prison construction begins @ Point Mackenzie, groundbreaking today
Hugs to you and your sore hands, Canadian Neighbour. Can I kiss ’em and make it better?
She was to Kenai/Soldotna on 16th
no new jobs except for other Wasilla High grads, right?
yikes, that was a meow 😡
@Gramian, anything liquid will do.
@Nan, I’m in sooo much better shape tonight; getting to bed a lot earlier. DH hasn’t come out to check on me yet!
@all mudpups: this has been a blast (even tho lots was testimony was painful)
and just an aside, Kelly is a real hottie and a really good speaker. Good on you Shannyn, also a great speaker (but we knew that already)!
<i.Nan Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 10:11 PM
She was there earlier today, signing some bills somewhere (not juneau)
Sarah? She was at a ground breaking for a new prison. You know, govt spending that doesn’t produce jobs.
Gramiam,
I had trouble typing tonight. Hands never recovered from last night. I’ve been spelling some words out loud so the brain and hands connect!!
She was there earlier today, signing some bills somewhere (not juneau)
Sleep well, fellow mudpups. We have until Tuesday to hone our rapier wit. Anybody keeping tabs on how long the GINO plans to hide out away from Alaska?
Trish,
Where do you check for the messages on twitter for Iran
justafarmer – hope the hangover isn’t as bad tomorrow
lol
Nan
Is anyone aware that when you sign the list, if you had to identify where you lived as allowing outsiders to speak doesn’t make sense really.
GreatGrey, great news! (nearly typed “gnus” just for alliterative reasons… definitely slaphappy here)
Nan
ok, I’m going to check Twitter for Iran updates, then try sleeping. It’s after 2am here, and there’s a long “to do” list waitinf for me tomorrow (today?)
HUGS and LOVE, mudpups!
Thanks for sharing, GreatGrey. Wonderful news!!
lexky====I’m also with you. It breaks my heart what they are going through and some are even getting killed. I have been following the liveblog on Huffpo and it is fascinating. It has been going on since Friday. Amazing and incredible people who are just fed up. I hope this turns out peacefully.
Anyone want some Palin news?
The fund for Palin’s legal defense was at 17% of their goal yesterday, and yesterday was day 2 of the seven day “webathon”
They jumped all the way to 18% today.
Looks like an epic FAIL in progress.
Thanks for the belt, justafarmer. Good stuff!! See ya Tuesday. I’ll broing a bottle to share. Any preference?
When the mudpups log on, they are going to wonder WTH happened with the number of posts!! They’ll have to read some of it and hopefully get to the dinner break entertainment section!!
Yay good job Shannyn. We had a pedophile who drove a school bus ,K thr5th I thnk it was and it took years before I think his housekeeper glanced at his computer and saw some naked children He is now sitting in jail and he was straight as can be ,had had a wife and children and grandchildren also.Takes all kinds.I was so glad when they came up with showing anyone near that was a pedophile.I don’t know if other states have that or not.You know even pedophiles ,at least in our state can not be discriminated against except for being near a school.park or working with children.
don’t know Nan, just that they had tornado warnings earlier tonight.
As for here, NWS confirmed the tornado touchdown last night…I was too toasted to go take the pictures, but they sent a team this morning so was ok for me to be pitiful with my blogging hangover.
I’m off to bed–g’night, MudPups! ‘Til tomorrow.
Gee, if I hadn’t quit my job, I wouldn’t have stayed up to watch this…
I have to agree, AKM. The folks speaking were those already signed up. Not happy they couldn’t dominate the list again for next hearing. Wonder if Assembly will know who are Anchorites and who aren’t.
I look at this and at what is happening in Iran. There is hope for a better world when stuff has to come out into the light of day. I felt a lot more positive about the assembly members. They were courteous and fair, but I got the sense that most are for the ordinance.
lexky — i am with you — there are millions of people in iran that need a sttable and honest government. i have been watching and keeping them in my thoughts every day. what wonderful brave and amazing people.
Nan, I didn’t think of it that way–but you’re right. Just what I was saying–you can justify anything with it.
There were not nearly as many red shirts there as I thought there would be. I know it didn’t feel that way from listening to the testimony, but Prevo called off service tonight so the church could attend, but there were only a few hundred people there. His membership is in the thousands.
peace
with you on that lexky.
@ENOUGH…I take it that it’s safe to go the bathroom now…
akmuckraker Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 9:58 PM
Next Tuesday….. I may have recovered by then. Now I’m off to load pictures.
I’ll make another attempt to be there. The reddies just pissed me off too much yesterday afternoon to stay around.
yikes – have any touched down, justafarmer?
now what was that over at immoral minority? off to chase a story…..toodles
hoping the mudpups in Nebraska and Missouri are doing ok with tonight’s tornadoes.
everybody say a prayer or just send a good thought to the people of iran.
we may not like what these people say but im glad we live in a place where we have the right to do so.
usa #1
CorningNY
what got me was when the same argument would be used – for each side! Crazy.
thanks for having us tonight AKM. glad i was able to witness a bit of alaska history with so many cool folks — night all.
well, I have five days to catch up on sleep!
That was exhausting and disheartening. So much hatred and religious fanaticism. People will use the bible to justify anything.
I’m beat!
Next Tuesday….. I may have recovered by then. Now I’m off to load pictures.
maybe someone in alaska can ask the Selking person who went to talk with the grandfather?
they have some good people on that board. I’m really impressed
sad that the little boy died. although I disagree with the grandpa, I send him HUGS. we are not supposed to outlive our children, let alone, our grandchildren!
It’s amazing to hear the silence!! Strange after so much rant
i think there are sick of hearing the same thing over and over again
was it the daughter or the grandson?
oooh, livestream has been officially cut off just when things were getting interesting with the Assembly!
great grey — glad to hear that.
She is bending over backwards to make sure that everyone is up to speed. wow
well this was completely awesome……oops madam chairwoman almost did a boo boo.
Selkrig went up to talk with the guy who’s grandson died, very classy.
Next hearing Tuesday. Time won’t be known until Monday
Nah! This public hearing will resume on Tuesday of next week. Not sure what time.
trish
I noticed it getting up there at about 1475 and knew we’ve hit new record I’m sure
now i was always wonder why the kid died………i sure hope he did not commit suicide. sending a hug to the mom.
They’re going to go on until everyone on the list has spoken? Over 500?
Sorry, but that is insane.
After a reasonable number of people you close debate and move on.
Enough – I think there is only a couple more to go (smoke slooooowwwly – I”ll join you!)
The guys grandson who was worried about growing up gaii is the one who died, just rewound to check.
He said ” He Died”.
The grandson.
From the sounds of all your comments, the rational, free thinking people were totally outnumbered tonight. How sad. They bussed them in. Sounds like something Acmadinajad (sp???) would do. Isn’t it past their bedtime?
next hearing: Tuesday?
last cigarette………so i am at cross purposes. i so want to hear the rest of the list but i don’t think i could do it without another pack of smokes.
did she just say she is going to listen to hear 100 more folks? tonight?
strippers always have money to pay the rent…dont hate
OT: anyone notice…there’s over 1500 comments here? WTG, mudpups!
I LOVE all of you! 🙂
Christian sold houses to all, even strippers, never discriminates. Claims Board has opened Pandora’s box.
Mr. Realtor: You left out conveniently that they did not discriminate because of sexual orientation. And it does not cover “all”.
forty watt — i think we will never know who died.
making a motion to extend?
and now quoting the 14th Amendment…
It’s incredible how angry some people get. Oh god….14th amendment. What’s with the finger pointing? People are so disrespectful and rude.
Pandora’s box?! Really!?
He sells houses to gays, lesbians, strippers. Doesn’t discriminate. AND of course not — it’s a real estate commission.
he has sold to gays, to lesbians, and to STRIPPERS? god i have to laugh just a little bit about that one. it is becoming quite clear that this town NEEDS an ordinace really really bad.
insulting the Assembly, way to go…
im glad the city of anchorage was not divided until this
I can’t hear. I need to know who died…….
Wonder if we’d have a Black President if Brown Vs. Board of Education had been defeated in the Supreme Court. Sometimes you have to change the law. Hearts and minds will eventually follow. Come on folks, this is a no brainer!!
doggonit — that is what i think he said…………spooky.
He died?
I thought the daughter died?
There were times during the sign up where tons of people from the church all signed up together. This must be one of those “red blocks.” I hope it ends with a blue.
the grandson died? I missed that part!
lexky Says:
forty watt
be grateful
_____________
lol
AKM — yes
No. 370 God Blesses all present. Always votes. Father of four. Daughter turned out gay. She has hurt the family. Her grandson visited. They went fishing. He asked questions. Do you love grandma? Then grandpa asked grandson question. Grandson was afraid he’s grow up like his mom, gay. Grandpa said, you can make your own decisions. Then the grandson died?
Surprise us — give us a blue!!
Did he just say, “He died?”
what a load of crap
who died? the kid? well crap — give grandpa a hug. jerk still.
glad the ‘dad’ got cut off
Well, maybe if his mom had had support and had not been discriminated against, he wouldn’t be fearful!!!
This is so sad. The kid probably was gay.
forty watt
be grateful
okay – this is like a scary movie — i am going to plug my ears cause i think this story is going to get even more puky-er
oh man — he HAS to finish the dang story. sheesh. did the kid ask grandpa about his lesbian mother or what?
well, the kid is safe — cause i don’t think guys can become lesbians.
I lost sound.
Just checking into tonight’s edition of the televised Prevo Hatefest. After 3 speakers, I am ready to scream. WTF is it with these obnoxioius, bloviating self-righteous people?!! “God Bless the Assembly. God bless the Mayor. God bless this audience. (God cure the homos, including my daughter who surely caught hepatitis from her deviant lifestyle)”. This is sick, sick, Sick!!
this isnt going to be good
akmuckraker Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 9:42 PM
We all have the same rights….but we don’t. Law is redundant according to her, and yet it’s still legal to fire someone for being gay.
You were in transit, so I’ll repeat: in spite of laws against murder, there was still the need for anti-lynching laws.
This is similar.
Lady, speaking of redundancy, your group has been redundant all evening with your fearmongering and hate inspired speeches.
Father of four traditional married children. Daughter is gay. “We disagree on the gay decision.” OMG.
farmer — i didn’t have time to check the stalls for boys……..maybe next time.
god, I’m glad he’s not my dad
there’s that microphone fart noise AGAIN. They need to get some WD40 to fix that
great dad
“we disagreed on the gay decision”?
jerk
I didn’t know you had that many lawyers in Alaska that could foresee all the problems down the road if this ordanance passes. And all the ones knowing the outrageous taxpayers costs for the court cases.
Assemble members wouldn’t be tied up with this issue if there weren’t so many nuts bussed in. Move on dips…..
I bet that sodomy guy has a really boring sex life….just saying..
enough with all the god bless stuff already!
(who snorted?)
ENOUGH, glad to hear you managed to tinkle without being molested.
say your name — and THEN bless everybody. whew.
special protections “who was protecting him”……..is this going to be a story?
am i going to cry?
Enough, you are a funny, funny, gal/guy!
doggonit: OMG you make me laugh! Madison was one of the most progressive laces that I have ever lived. Man, that guy just burst my bubble.
We all have the same rights….but we don’t. Law is redundant according to her, and yet it’s still legal to fire someone for being gay.
At least she was short.
Guess all the blue shirts are out in the fresh air partying. This gal said “FEDS” Palinbot, you betcha!!
she is like charlie brown’s teacher. if there was a problem the ACL or did she say FBI would make the town fix it? hug for strange monotone lady.
neeexxxt.
not just “sodomy” but “homosexual sodomy” (one more legal than the other?)
TMI mister!`
Thank god this guy is done…he was putting me to sleep.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!
this is like last call
MnWisAk Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 9:39 PM
oh good grief, glad I never ran into him when I lived in Madison.
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He was doing a gig at the Comedy Club there, I guess.
Yuk! Yuk! I am glad Wisconsin’s time ran out because he was going to the same hatefest place we have witnessed all night long. Yuk! Yuk!
crap…there’s the sodomy word again.
You guys are cracking me up! I can’t see what is going on but am reading your comments. It’s like reading the cliff notes of a book you never read. You are getting the gist, but not the whole picture.
Why are they letting someone from Wisconsin to speak?
That’s just insane! Why would they even allow a non-AK resident to speak?
man i go tinkle and almost missed a sodomy story………were there any details?
naw, Madison, Wisconsin, never got to the point but I’m pretty sure it had something to do with gay marriage…
Chip toss and tractor pull outside sonny!
oh good grief, glad I never ran into him when I lived in Madison.
A guy from Wisconsin talking about Prop 8… Oy.
where is the blue team?
Oh wow, we now have “insidious”
and a current events in Iran
his time is going to run out – but not soon enough.
WHAT was his point?
Wisconsinite runs out of time, never makes his point.
I’m gonna boycott Wisconsin cheese too.
Did he even make a point?
Comparing this to Iran election. Is from Wisconsin. Talking about “Gay Marriage” being voted down.
OK, I am not the only one who heard/understood it that way. He said it again! WTF!?!
at least this is something new. Unless he mentions bathrooms…
i got the message that i was posting too fast……..so i am i slooooowwwinnnng down.
That’s 3 minutes of my life I’ll never get back.
I’m sorry, maybe I had an extra beer. But, did this guy say he’s from Madison WI? Why is he there? Or is he saying he was originally from Madison, as in moved to AK?
geez… get on with it already.
another standup comic
i think my iq has dropped listening to this mess.
he has on tight pants
WTF?
So now they’re allowing someone who is a resident of Wisconsin to speak? This is nuts.
from Madison, Wisconsin????
i am thinking this is a blue shirt? nice touch — thanking the council and the cops.
This is the American ideal?
From Wisconsin?????
He’d be happy for an ordinance for stupid white religious men and take away everything for women, blacks and anything else that walks.
Maybe thinking about that GOP guy who was caught playing footsies wit another man in the bathroom,These people seems as rabid as tose back when people marched with Martin Luther King, They are nuts
Wisconsin?? WTF?
justafarmer
amen
Yes, please be careful what you wish for! Why on earth would we want everyone to be treated equal! That would be bad, very, very bad!
he is from madison wisconsin? tourist?
Madison Wisconsin?
Doggonit, I’m so out of luck now
women and black people? I can’t believe he’s going there!!!!!!!
Does anyone know if the average IQ has dropped precipitously?
“The government doesn’t trust the people to behave like rational human beings”
Yup, that’s why there are laws against murder, rape…DISCRIMINATION..Cuz people do bad things.
Scary dude! You political people in temporary positions we know who you are and we will remember.
lexky, well a bong will work at this point
WHO is grandstanding??
he is crossing his arms. they want to legislate how we think…..waah. oh and by the way i would like to hide the gays and smoke out those “special interest groups” that are “grandstanding”………temporarily in a position of power.
gay people are just like us? oh hell. he is just being screwy. no hug.
no bathroom story — no hug. just saying
Conservative has conspiracy theory that behind the sceens a nanny state is being created.
another stripe shirt.
Nanny state? There’s a laff
gov’t is holding citizens in contempt cuz they don’t trust ’em to “do the right thing” (?)
Right, it’s worked so well so far…
justafarmer
did you mean bong?
Putin is rolling on the floor!! “I can see Anchorage from my Dacha!!”
akmuckraker Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 9:30 PM
Nobody is even talking about the ordinance. They’re just trying to outlaw homosexuality in general?
Agreed.
And I sense a lot of folks who are fearful that they may be latent.
That woman was all over the place. She jumped from one subject to another without ever making her point.
This is comical, watching this and reading the posts. I don’t mean the issue, just the people talking. Actually it is scary!
I wonder why we might not think they’re civilized?
You have to wonder what these assembly persons are thinking about now. With all this right-wing nastiness crawling out of the woodwork, I’m guessing they might be a bit shocked, no matter where they stand politically.
OT and very interesting. Check out Gryphen’s site now. Tee hee!
He doesn’t think the government trusts people to be civil? Ummm….has he been listening to the people testifying??
who had the gong?
Now she is saying it’s okay to discriminate against fat women.
oh man — 20 more minutes — i am actually having a blast
she is spiraling out of control………..throw a rope.
very little accent. Talks awfully fast though
Heaven forbid. What if roses all suddenly decided to be tulips. Might upset the tulip growers but otherwise, who cares.
Nobody is even talking about the ordinance. They’re just trying to outlaw homosexuality in general?
this woman is crazy. roses, tulips…yikes
i have no idea what the hell she is saying? anybody?
This young guy put such a spin on discrimination to make it fit into his bigotry and made it sound legit. My head is spinning from so much spin. If I were a person who was slipping I would have bought what crap he spinned.
Lady says there are body organs and we can’t ignore them. Roses are not tulips.
I try so hard to be just like I am, but all the redshirts want you to be just like them, they say sing while you slave, but i just get bored, I ain’t gonna work on Jerry Prevos farm no more. Or Sarah Palin’s either. Or all those that defend what they cannot see, a killers pride security, it blows their minds most bitterly to see that deaths honesty won’t fall upon them naturally,life sometimes must get lonely. I stole most of that from Dylan. But I say do your own thing, yes go right ahead but don’t do it all over me or I’ll jump in your head and before I am all done you will begin to realize that yours and mine just aren’t the same kinds of fun. Don’t judge me, I won’t judge you, don’t f**k with me and I won’t f**k with you.
How many people wake up in the morning and think, “Heck I’ll be tulip today?”
okay all of a sudden i want to be a man — it is a choice — it is not natural. man laying with man. in russia they are paying money to make extra babies?
JOB for the food stamp gal
Russia has a shortage on babies, again?
Oh, and I can choose to be a tulip? I want her drugs, srsly.
ashamed???? well, maybe SHE is.
I see a potential blue shirt in line. Svetlana thinks it’s not natural… Ask the penguins!
“Why are people ashamed of this?” Uh, because people discriminate! Uh, why are people ashamed of anything? Discrimination!
Bet he is a Young Republican.
Here comes a lady Russian. Red shirt.
farmer — i met a preacher type in a hotel once that was all dressed up in leathers and chains and the whole nine yards — some kind of attraction to young people i guess. he had quite the entourage……..but was so obviously FAKE. it was like watching a bad circus act.
Why can’t any of the reddies (or black suited kid) get the tenses of the verb “discriminate” correct?
Oh boy, guy in suit making case that discrimination of people is great and proper.
And the other thing I’ve seen done was to have a representative give their statement on behalf of the group. And then they move on. This is BS and running out the clock at this point.
I can’t believe how well these red shirt folks have proven the need for the implementation of this ordinance. They are bigots and un-Christian, and generally sad excuses for human beings.
EVIL???
nice suit though. no hug. “having fine judgement or taste” actually pissed me off.
god created us equal but there are consequences for our behavior. segue much? now he is in the webster’s…….drawing distinctions is what discrimination is — just drawing “having fine judgement or taste”
ahhh man — i am not giving him a hug. GONG !!!
1376 Enough:
Ha, ha! That made me laugh outloud!
oohh suit
well, at least the jacket guy’s bathroom story was probably true.
excuse me – “expedience by force”
ENOUGH, I think you are correct.
But look at what he’s wearing. Isn’t he one of that band “The Village People”?
Sorry, that was really bad of me and the low road but REALLLY….who comes to a public meeting dressed like that and expect to be taken seriously?
what he’s seen is *not* “gay” – it is “expedience” within the prisons or the system
This guy has been there all 3 times. He’s super scary.
Ex-con biker type with shades. Talks about rape in prison. Is now Christian and has 8 kids. Wonder who supported his kids while he was in prison?
23 years in prison…comparing rape in prison to the ordinance…
He works fast if he has 8 kids even after spending all that time in prison…
The red shirts’ ignorant yapping is irrefutable proof that discrimination exists and the ordinance is necessary.
Case closed.
Order every red shirt to the bathrooms for a strip search and cavity exam as their reward for testifying. STAT!
how the heckfire did he have 8 kids? he was a busy boy somewhere. i thought he said he was in prison for 20 years or something? he can’t be over 40?
Todd’s been in jail and is speaking?? Wow!!
If she like’s hanging out at the gay bar, has gay friends, likes the atmosphere but will take her kids out of public school to homeschool if this ordin passes.
HUH??????
Who subjecting her kids to the atmosphere then and then blaming the gays for everything???
well, see i think that when someone has to hold you down to have sex — then THAT ought to be illegal. just saying.
These so-called Christians are repugnant. I hope the IRS pulls their tax exempt status.
Please tell me we are not comparing prison to a muncipality?
oooh a prison boy — there is DEFINITELY going to be a bathroom story
The process is bizarre because these Red Shirters really don’t have anything to say.
oh this fellow is quite studly – give him a hug for the jacket and glasses.
figured that Gramian. I was wondering why she can’t read out loud.
GreatGray –
runnin and chasing after GreatGrey to give a HUGE hug – I sooo needed that guffaw!
Sorry, but she would remove her children from school to homeschool. Add 2 more on to the trainwreck kid list.
this ordinance is going to make this gal take her children out of public school and start to homeschool. she is getting a bit anxious about her children.
back to the special rights thing — i was fearing there was going to be a bathroom thingee. whew.
Traumatize her children? Oh, please! Oh, wait I forgot everyone lives in a little glass ball, where everything is perfect!
GreatGrey, that was toooo funny!!!
She is in college, justafarmer.
she missed her turn because she was in class? Was that reading out loud class?
Student on food stamps for 7 years.
honestly, she sounded just like a tent meetin’ revival preacher… maybe “ARE EN” (RN) wasn’t payin’ good enuf.
justafarmer Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 9:18 PM
only SIX children? she’s a slacker
Its a vagina, not a clown car! {{{ runs and ducks for cover }}}
When I’ve gone to things like this to give the public a chance to speak, and there were 900 people from the community, the panel would ask people if they didn’t have anything different to add, that they be respectful and not force every one to stay the whole night. Has anything like this been said?
I mean really, some of this is BS and repetetive BS from these ignorant clowns at that.
was some guy wearing sarah palin’s shoes?
a food stamp recipient for how many years? she needs a hug and a JOB. maybe one of those dang red shirt people can get this gal a dang JOB.
Christian warrior is looking for revenge. Protect the children.
Moral mothers and moral Christians…..as opposed to immoral mothers and immoral Christians?
she has six children.
we have a god-given right to protect our children
okay – so there is no discrimination, but god hates the sin, and this ordinance is going to cause harm to the children. (spinning head syndrom)
ahhh. now the nice lady is apologizing for appearing to be inimidating to the young brave christian girl. actually i think this meeting is being handled very well. very even handed.
bigdayqueen: If they had their way they would be praying over people while they are stoning them. That’s next…
I had to watch this after reading the live blogs this week and last. Having done so, I am ever so thankful that I live in Pennsylvania.
What a wonderful Christian woman to call the assembly people “idiots”. I would shiver to have her as my nurse.
only SIX children? she’s a slacker
The Preacher’r’us store for certificates is gonna be a busy store tonight.
ummmm I don’t remember charge nurses ever setting policies? that was always hospital administration who did that? is it different in AK?
Well, and I might pay for this later, but I think I can see why she had to announce she was a Christian, who’d have known it otherwise?!
go home and take care of those six children and pray they never get out of your sight.
OMIGAWWD. She’s PREACHING!
An RN – it’s a behaviour issue. Take her license away.
Little short woman wife mother nurse is a wanna be preacher.
Can I get an AMEN!!!
Love the sinner, hate the sin. Love the hypocrite, hate the hypocrisy.
Oh, this one is p.o’d
god loves you but he hates the sin.
“you intimidated that young woman who questioned why this is rushed”
we’re not idiots
courage by the young christians and stand on the word of god
was an RN for two years…..you don’t need the policy there is no discrimination.
she is a bit angry now. oooh she said sodomy. she needs a hug.
You aren’t idiots? Who says? This to red shirted woman. Preacher woman!!
sarah wanna be
ok, I need another drink if I’m gonna have to listen to another sermon from someone who claims to be a Christian but calls others idiots
Another Palin twin is saying we aren’t idiots.
POST #1288:
My apologies to Gryphen….I butchered the spelling of your name. Sorry….I am tired and wine boggled and totally mind boggled by what I just read about tonight. Please accept my apology. 🙂
I hear farts!
Majority spoken are against it — yea ya think — check the buses outside. Check the driver’s licenses. Ya wonder why. You don’t live there or pay taxes in Anchor.
Is the Assembly taking into account all the non-resident Anch??
When you sign the list, do you have to identify where you live?
Now, califpat, you have more class than that. He seems to be stating that all men are created equal, unless they aren’t….
he doesn’t come from a place of judgement …. wait for it
but……..we don’t all deserve the same things. if we break the law.
lifestyles have consequences. force a lifestyle on a majority of people by a minority of people is just wrong.
hey can we take that concept to the GOP ?
well, that’s it for me. gonna be a scorcher here later today and i have to get up early to drown my veggie garden. nite everyone
ENOUGHwithhetrainwreck–so true. You don’t evolve into perfection, you evolve to adapt to your environment.
I am kind of thinking he did that to his hair on purpose, believing it makes him look hip and with it
I was also thinking about the striped shirt peoples. I sense a bit of unstated ambivalence.
just saying…
Wishful thinking from the guys who say they got hit on.
that “wave a finger” made me immediately think of Colbert!
if their shirts are striped does that mean that are not completely opposed to the ordinance? nope. case in point. another guy that doesn’t care what you do in your own home……….hide the gays. tolerance is earned? is there a list of things that the gays can do to earn tolerance?
As a child, I had a very gay cocker spaniel.
Oh, for goodness sakes, no one is making this guy accept a life style that he thinks is wrong. There aren’t going to be gay people gettin’ it on at work!!!
snapped with CN, LOL!
That last guy sure was teflon. He said he did not wave a finger at gays and went on preaching his rhetoric. I have a finger I would like to wave at his slick a$$.
This guy needs a refund on his haircut, and I’m wondering how many times he got gay hit on.
Uh–he must not have heard about the DOZENS of species that have homosexual behavior–like the penguins in Germany.
gaaaaaaa lawsuits…will cost thousands…fear….
did he just say cannibalistic???
gaaaaaa
Oh I’ve got some penguins and chickens to introduce to him…
Male red – Discriminated as a kid and sometimes as adult. For What?
Ordanance terms will be unenforceable — He writes laws and enforces them now too.
Animalistic characteristics – Oh My.
Doesn’t know any animals that practice same sex: He doesn’t watch TV:
Penguins & chickens
many believe in evolution – we may have evolved over xxx years (billiions?) by now we should be pretty perfect (right after saying we should have some animal charactreristics)
and the “animals” don’t do it (boy, is he ever underinformed!)
No Animals are gay!! Now we got him!!
Where are the penguin pix?
however, the purpose of evolution is not to achieve perfection. it is to achieve reproduction.
okay he gets a hug for championing evolution
justafarmer
yes i did, it was fab
did you see mine? mitch has no lips, were are they?
ditch mitch
Another “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” guy in a red shirt.
Did this red shirt just say EVOLUTION?!!!
just keep it to yourselves (sexuality)……..that would be the don’t ask don’t tell thingee right? hide the gays. problem solved. well alrighty then.
another old white guy who was discriminated against as a child…
For the same reason we say, “some of my best friends are black, or Jewish, or Moslem, or whatever”
new guy: “life is not always fair” (so we gotta make it harder? )
These people sure are unclear about separation of church and state. I feel so bad for Alaskans. This is just a symptom of the base of the Ayatollah Palin.
lexky, obviously with you. Did you see my earlier comment about Mitch being a turtle in people’s clothes?
wait for it —
oh geez – we have the right to disobey if it passes… oy.
Good night Lori in Los Angeles and thank you for giving us “blind” folks some idea of what was happening. The link did not work for me.
Sounds very discouraging and unfair with all those bussed in people and their hate. Can’t wait to hear what AKM, Shannyn, Gryfynn and the rest have to say tomorrow.
Why is it people have to say, “I have friends that are gay.”
Bad Assembly. It is all your fault and we don’t have to obey if you pass this ordinance.
okay here we go — “those who oppose this ordinance because of their beliefs do not have to obey the ordinance”. well, that should be fun.
CorningNY – hanged if I know
Another buffoon who thinks this is a Christian Nation.
oh, smacking the Assembly, but I’m a loving Christian.
sigh….
sometimes i really hate living in a red state.
any christian that hates what god loves is a hypocrite. okay i think i need some ALCOHOL
Neutral shirt and tie. We red shirts are being marginalized. Gag, retch, hurl!!!
Justafarmer
and he was CURED!!!!! Halleluyia!!!!!
snark
—
ROFL
watching and listening to this simply reinforces my instinct that most homophobes are simply in the closet at the house of denial.
inflammatory statements have been made (they are calling us bigots outside) teacher – they are being mean to me………we need an ORDINANCE.
@AKM: I believe you are right. Yepppers!!
I just got home from work after listening to 45 min of this on WMD radio. It was just about as much as I could take. It is far more fun to hear your descriptions and remarks than to listen to the real thing so please don’t stop.
Have there been any good ones tonight? I did see Diane Benson, and she was amazing!!!
I wish they would stop using the bible stuff…God did not write the Bible , men did. It is full of contradictions. If they really believed the Bible ..why do they allow divorce? why do they not scorn and stone for premarital and extrmartital sex?
Looks like we have a bus load of preachers who can cure gays by teaching them about Jesus.
Nan–what is it, does every transgender person in AK come to Anchorage to hang out in the restrooms and scare little girls? WTF.
kerryann, sadly I’m still surrounded by proud teabaggers.
and we have 16% unemployment here but by golly get govmint out of our lives but keep sending that govmint assistance.
sigh
I swear there can’t be another red shirt of any kind left at WalMart.
jesus is coming soon. hmmm. “we just have the one way” use this blessing time? pray this town – pray this town of gays (shoobie doobie) we’re gonna pray this town pray it all night long.
I am afraid to get to close to this guy.
He might turn me into a Russian!
watching this makes my wish my internet was still down. sheesh, I can’t take it.
the town i live in has a huge gay population but then you will run into some of the most backward bigoted people you will ever meet.
Putin must be laughing his ass off.
nothing but red shirts, NO BLUES. I cannot take it any longer. all bused in, almost all non-residents of anchorage. this should not have been allowed.
good night akm and all. I am discouraged, but not defeated.
Married and living in the closet miserably.
ahhhhh! Thanks justafarmer. Cybershots are very soothing. I accompanied it with a sip of my excellent chardonnay. I’m still not numb enough to deal with all this hate.
Here we go again, Yet another “born again” Russian!!
Who would Jesus deny rights to?
@Lori
“Whatever they need to do” that would be to make sure they have put the fear into all their little ones!
Didn’t this guy talk yesterday?
And today, that young man is living in denial of his true nature, in psychic pain every moment for denying his real nature.
yes, we figured the restroom was the size of Grand Central station since so many had personal experiences with the cross dressers.
humpf. and sigh.
Is it because of the red shirts that all these guys keep getting propositioned by all them gays?
This man has powers. He cured him!!
and he was CURED!!!!! Halleluyia!!!!!
snark
We are just wearing them down, AKM!!cvChristian community is MOTIVATED. Mostly from Out Of Town. How he changed a poor sinful gay man. Took him six months to “recycle” this young man!!
If it makes you feel better, there are many more blue shirts outside on the lawn having a great time. There is food and music and bubbles. And the cars are honking much more for the blues.
justafarmer and lexky: did either of you notice a shortage of “crackers” over in your neck of the woods? seems they all moved up to Alaska which explains the great amount of tolerance we seem to be having in Charlotte NC these days! Also explains all the thumpers up there……sorry Alaska
what would god think of these people slinging his name around
so maybe they need to pass an ordinance to make everyone read that passage in the bible to cure the gays. AAAACCCCCKKKK
The purpose of letting him go on was WHY??
he knows what God thinks. and that the Christians are motivated to do “whatever they need to do.” is that a threat?
They act like gays are the only ones who ever approach anyone for a date/sex. News flash: straight guys do that too. ALL the time. Women have to put up with this continually. But of course, it’s only bad behavior when male approaches a male. Well, harassment is harassment, straight or gay. If someone is bothering you, tell them to f*** off or call the police.
On the bright side, just think of all the fun you Anchorage folks are going to have when they go through all of these hearings all over again!
Guarandamntee you’ll have to.
No matter *what* the Assembly decides, the ‘other’ side is going to call “foul”. They will point out, and rightfully so, that ‘outsiders’ swayed the vote. And they’ll sue. Big time.
The next set of hearings will be run wiser: Any speaker, *before* they can go to the mic/podium, will *have* to show proof of residency *within* the boundaries of the city…you know, like how they have to show proof of residency within the city boundaries when they vote for city mayor, city assembly member, city solicitor, …
You’ll have to have a ‘do-over’. I bet’cha – the law suits’ll make sure you do.
oh, and lots and LOTS of bathroom testimony, AKM
AKM
You need to truck them in except list is closed.
Are they planning another night of this?
Please tell me why the bible comes up when someone is gay, but not when someone is eating shellfish?
alot
son – this is not about me and you — and i opened the bible and said “son you need to read this”……the boy read whatever and turned red and slammed the book on the ground. “this is between you and god”.
god can be such a jerk sometimes. find that boy and give him a HUG.
aloog ignorance on display
oooh, the word “share” and oh oh oh he’s ALSO a counselor. YIKES!!!
this red shirts “train” lots of kids. my heart goes out to those “trained” kids.
AKM — no blues……….but alot of sad “i just got hit on by the gays”
no blue shirts AKM. It’s been a real test of character for us.
AKM, seems to be just red shirts now 🙁
This bigot is very insulting. “My wife probably has more intelligence than any of you”.
Hey everyone.
Just got home. No blue shirts lately?
No, where did they all go?
i know what comes out of georgia
mostly reds
Man didn’t know gays existed although he said family members died from being gay and getting aides.
coal mines of WV, no homos there dadgummit! (talking my area of the country now).
died at 45 of AIDS……….yes it is a terrible death. his “lover” messed around and got the AIDS and gave it to him and then left him.
yes this is a part of the story — the silent suffering of our gay population of a disease that in this country is called “gay”…….but elsewhere in the world is just a truly horrid disease that any one can die from.
hard to type the snideness in his voice when he mentions gay and lover. ? give him a hug anyway. i think he needs it bad.
seems the red shirts are sooooo irresistable to Gay men – the Gays cannot seem to keep their hands off them. right. he is even approached by hermaphodites!
All the reddies complaining about being propositioned…..
Can I whine and be traumatized every time a Jehova’s Witness or LDS Missionary tries to “proposition” me?
Wife more education that those sitting up there (Assembly) as she had a lot of time on her hands as she couldn’t teach as she had been discriminated against.
Preteenage years had hundreds of partners??? (I think he said his son – my brain has already forgotten as I got stuck on the hundreds and hundreds in preteenage years)
Hey everyone.
Just got home. No blue shirts lately?
Red Shirt 26 years in Anchorage. Wife discriminated against as teacher because children in Christian schools. Litany of gay friends and propositions from others. I guess gaydars in Alaska don’t work real well.
Yeah I think I’ve had all the red shirts I can take for one day. I’m out all. 😉
sauerkraut – I may also too… getting depressed here.
oh dear, discriminated against because they sent their children to Christian school
Born to be gay….
(think Steppenwolf)
The blues have gone home because we realize that once you state the facts, that’s all you can do.
i am listening to the speakers without seeing them — and amazingly enough i have predicted red shirt 100% so far. just from their introduction. spooky
The military didnt know about this one.
Christian thinks he was born to be gay but found Jesus.
he apparently is real good at pulling his reins.
They should weed out the non-Achor from the list before they do any further hearings as this is ridiculous.
Mother Jones is gay? “Librul” yes, but gay?
does this guy have a point? will he ever get around to it? find out on next week’s episode of SOAP!
Jesus enters the conversation again. This guy actually has converted gays.
Wow. He needs to write a book. He could make millions.
Cut the mike.
Well, I cannot get consistent streaming so I will call it a night. Will read all the comments in the am. niters ya alls.
liberal pro-gay magazine called mother jones. hahahahahahaha oh my goodness. see i still want to give him a hug though.
Latent is his middle name?
bigdayqueen, yes! I agree!
Nothing but red shirts. Blues have disappeared. this one was propositioned in 1969. he claims to be propositioned to by gay males, who gravitate toward him. yes, he is too sexy for his clothes. only 3 that he knows were kicked out of military for being Gay. ONLY 3? Is that not 3 too many?
didn’t we hear this same stuff from Mr. Unavailable last night?
Would love the assembly out of spite to put this through!!! They’ve snide remarked acting mayor so many times — they’d deserve it!!
Stan Shields, red shirt. Crisis counselor. Molested by father. Well, we know what’s coming, don’t we…….Got religion. Propositioned in high school and after. Is sensitive so gays are attracted and also he makes a good counselor.
sent you a double seattlefan…
This man is in denial…big time
he was first propositioned in 1969……..huh? he has a “sensitivity”? what does that mean………he is a natural born counselor? i think he needs a hug.
he’s a counselor? (and a red shirt?)
uh-oh…this one was abused by Dad, then propositioned in HS…has a natural sensitivity…
When did this become a share your feelings with the group session, and church?! I didn’t know this was a religious issue!
ratzzzzz….
another crap backup clogging my intertubes….
@Polly
Tell me about it. I live here! Thank goodness we are moving soon!
man — i swear this is group therapy. i am so sorry he was sexually molested. and his mother sounds like a crappy person. please tell me this one has a happy ending that does not involve a bathroom.
Rob
Let me help you — she need’s a beatch slap — THWACK
Reddie Lady: Maybe you should examine your definition of “all” because you surely do not want human rights for “all”. Lady, these are not Special Rights that gays want. Just equal rights for “all”.
ok, refreshing screen here – I’m lagging way behind
Cali you’re right, they are all starting to look alike to me
move to cali if you are gay
catchphrases i hope *not* to hear for another month/year whatever:
“Acting mayor” (said with sneer)
a certain bathroom story
the word “behavior”
gay “lifestyle” and/or gay “choice”
There are a couple more, but this gal is distracting me. Snark, maybe?
How can the assembly members stay so polite?
ooooh she’s a funny one. at least she thinks so. show of hands, how many of you think she and hubby retired to AK for the perm fund check?
Slap to Los Angeles. Ooh that hurt someone….
what a snarky gal……….her husband is a MALE. telling the gays to move to los angeles.
hey – NOT LOS ANGELES, the evil of evils. I take offense.
Chair Ossiander should stop dead the next speaker that makes a “non-elected mayor” refernce. Its just f-ing rude.
No wonder Palin had a high popularity rating. Alaska is full of uneducated people.
I just got here! Love Mr. Guiterrize! Great question to the tall, black, christian, mother, woman.
can=can’t
another reddie who can even read. And brings up the mayor thing and taxes yadda yadda yadda.
passing a double to seattlefan
Oh no. Now the restrooms have been forgotten and the slippery slope showed up!
costly slippery slopes……….could a bathroom incident not be far behind?
She should have worn a BLUE dress!!.
Conservative woman asks board if they pulling a Bill Clinton?
they musta rented a fleet of buses tonite. I hope it cost their church a bundle and when ordinance passes, it will be for naught. this one thinks MAJORITY is important and screw any minorities. and she thinks she is making sense.
She was discriminated against in Wasilla because of being black. She has the problem in that she has rights and didn’t use them.
She’s ask for ordinance for her because she’s not black enough for African American. Not native enough for the state of AK WTH???
hey i have tried that choice thing numerous times………sometimes i wake up and say today i choose to be gay. so far, it hasn’t worked. maybe there is an instruction book? seriously though — the concept that gay is choice is truly and blindingly ignorant.
OMG!! Using Bill Clinton’s defense for the Monica incident!!
dont be bad mouthing clinton
African American lady, you are contradicting yourself by descriminating against others as you claim that you suffered. You should be one of the ones who has compassion for people who are different. You are a fraud!!
Here is someone who thinks saying the gays have rights is worse than if they already have all those rights. HUH?
her sis is gay, and pierced – they’d always gotten along – until “this ordinance” came up.
(the ordinance isn’t doing it – it just brought it to the surface – sheesh)
Christian woman wants her sister who is gay to be discriminated against for some reason.
Angela Doody? Nuf said!
true southerners have manners.
justafarmer…..I’ll take some of that! Don’t know what it is, but I’ll take a sip or two. “””Reaching my tumbler through my monitor for a shot”””
Glad you weren’t hit by the tornado last night!
i guess she needs a hug. how can gays ride on the coattails of the equal rights movement? hmmm. well, cause that is how it works in america. a group of people that have been discriminated against can gather together and ask for it to be stopped. and the rest of us have the “choice” to empathize and change OUR behaviors to show that the tenets of our wonderful country are alive and are available for all people. but apparently someone wants to slam the door shut after they are finished fighting for their own rights? very sad.
Why do people keep thinking homosexuality is a choice!?
seems the red shirts have taken over. she is mad that gays are riding coat tails of civil rights movement. you would think she would understand discrimination. her sister is Gay. she is sorry for sounding condescending.
I’ll bet.
this one, trying not to cry – sez gay/les “riding coattails” of civil rights
Hm.
i have alot of piercings, what of it?
Is southern lady the same nitwit who showed up at the Letterman protest yesterday?
I feel so sorry for this woman
here we go again, with the crap about they “choose” to be homosexual/ ::thud::
Black and Native, lets see… she gets more govt protection than anyone in that room.
Choice? Another one who thinks it is a choice? Unreal.
She didn’t chose to be black. My sister didn’t choose to be gay.
is she pronouncing it “wah-sewer”?
Yanno… back a few years ago, I was at a Boston Celtics game. During intermission times, I’d go to the bathroom. Thing was… most of the stalls were used by women. As were a few urinals. Never could figure out how the ladies were doing it while standing up… BUT I never complained about other people using the facilities when they had to go. When Mother Nature calls, you’d best answer that damned phone.
This bathroom nonsense is just that: nonsense. Let ’em use a tree if they are afraid to use the indoor facilities due to some nitwit fear of something that’s unlikely to occur during their lifetimes.
how could this church bring so many people that are so conflicted inside? this is like watching group therapy. i feel for this young lady.
dang… that behavior thing again
this one needs a laptop?????
I love Gutierrez… he’s asking why her choices are not “special” and protected legally.
Good question from assemblyman. Why is this special rights if you are protected in your choice of religion?
they “choose” to be homosexual? Ummm, all the gays I have ever known did not CHOOSE it!
calif pat, I am sorry, but I have met you and for you to say they look alike is cracking me up. good question from the assembly person, and now she is comparing choosing to be a homosexual with someone who murders another person. she made an ass of herself!
Lady compares homosexuality with killing someone.
and we can’t discriminate against her because she is black. DUH!!!
Yes we can see that you are “Black”. You have so many choices so why do you choose to take away other people’s choices.
no one is going to arrest her for saying she is going to murder someone — actually. just saying.
ustafarmer Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 8:40 PM
oh, another two children. Let me guess, they’re girls and a public restroom is coming up.
I’ll take cross dressers in the ladies room for $500 Alex.
what? how can she chose to not be a mother once she actually did become a mother? i am so confused. this is what happens when you listen to people sober.
and has not asked for “special rights” – against
there are question(s?)
oooh good question!!!!
Well, looks like this gal likes “choice.” Is a Christian. (bracing myself)
is black, a woman, also a mom, wife, vet & Christian – all by choice
i like this — aren’t your choice of religion and marital status “special rights”
One actually understands who she is based in the color of her shirt.
well, she certainly benefitted from special benefits
Black woman — red – forceful on word “choice” and “choose’ for every statement. She chooses — she’s a wife, mother, a vet, but seems to have forgotten Dr. King
keeps repeating herself
pompous beyatch. smug one, this red sh*t.
Black woman, vet, Christian, married 2 children. All choices and red top.
Has this cretin been up there before or maybe all the bigots are beginning to look alike?
oh, another two children. Let me guess, they’re girls and a public restroom is coming up.
just saying — this is going to go south pretty darn soon i know.
the only way she chose to be an american is if she immigrated here.
Ok, here we go!
I am woman hear me roar!
she is a pretty lady
does sweater guy realize that he’s guilty of fornication? that’s bad behavior!
hey! what’s wrong with fornication???? me & DH like it very much, thank you.
red vest, american flag stitched on it. clown. raise your hand if we should reward bad behavior. her come the bible, fornication is a sin! adultry is in same category as homosexuality. we must discrimnate adulterers AND homosexuals!! hahahaha, how many people would be left?
RED Shirt, male, taking an audience poll. Bible thumper. Says three sexual sins…fornication, adultery and Homosexuality.
Pure ignorance…sad.
disgusting, depraved, immoral lifestyle………..see there you go. no stigmatisms here folks. what a jerk.
The assembly should not raise a hand when asked a question. Whether they agree or not. It is not for them to display anything yea or nay in public hearings
oh dear…another patriot.
Southern Lady, take the blinders off, when you say you have never seen a gay person get discriminated against. Everyday they are discriminated against in the work force, housing, emplomennt and in just everyday life.
17th, 2009 at 8:37 PM
For those of you who can see the stream….Sounds like all the speakers in the last 15 minutes are red shirts.
The fornicator guy has a red vest with flag.
here we go — the three sins………fornication. hey hey hey – i like that one. next.
not all people from the south are bigots.
why are there so many reds?
passing a glass to ENOUGHwiththetrainwreck….
I actually believe this does not go far enough in giving “special” rights to people.
You know.. right now I am being discriminated against because I chose not to have children – I instead chose to have two cats. We’re looking for a new place to live, and just this morning I was told no on a place because of the cats. But if I had two children? Oh, no problem. Move right in. Because they cannot legally discriminate against people with children here. Do they expect me to drop my pets off at the pound and forget they exist? They are my *family*.
What this woman is saying is exactly the reason this ordinance has to go further than it currently does – it needs to specify no discrimination against any one for any reason.
Oh again with the restroom.
Why dont we just make a rest room for kids only? Won’t somebody think of the CHILDREN?
1092
GreatGrey Says:
A woman from the south… try this one on for size:
If laws against murder were sufficient, why was there the need for anit-lynching laws?
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Y E S !!!
oy — the white t-shirt is just “bad behavior”
seatttle fan, yes it has been a sea of red, most who do not live in anchorage.
more bathroom references
bathrooms again. Jeez lady, why are you LOOKING????
I don’t want HER in the lady’s room if I’m there.
The damned bathroom again. This is worse than “Psycho” for showers!!
she grew up in the south, big surprise. never heard of a gay person being assualted in anchorage. well, that is not the point lady, this is about denying them rights regarding renting property, going to schools and given equal job opportunity. BATHROOM ALERT again.
For those of you who can see the stream….Sounds like all the speakers in the last 15 minutes are red shirts. Can we get some clarification for those of us who can’t see? Love the remarks you are giving, but we need some detail please!! Thanks. 🙂
justafarmer — dang, i forgot to get my happy juice….can you spare me a shot of the hard stuff?
trish – agreed! darn those “mad dash” situations!
A woman from the south… try this one on for size:
If laws against murder were sufficient, why was there the need for anit-lynching laws?
How fortunate this lady’s Prozac kicked in before she spoke.
trish, worst bathroom experience has GOT to be the maroon who couldn’t be bothered to flush.
So, by her argument, it’s OK for a bigot to discriminate against blacks because of his “conscience.”
Well, then, I’m going to discriminate against stupid people like her because accommodating them is against my moral code.
special rights versus equal rights. she has never heard of any gays being assualted so i guess it has never happened. well, pack em up folks. it took what 1000 speakers to finally get to this point?
Gramiam – ty (emesis?)
sauerkraut – either that, or flush myself down said terlet. So much fear, so much “You can’t have that because I don’t want to quit denying it to you” (housing, employment, whatever)
Lady, you use your Christianity to discriminate against others and to spew your hate.
a consultant? in pink? Mary Kaye
Why is she quoting Canadian gay marriage — has nothing to do with what they are there for.
Canada has had gay marriage since 2005. The country still stands. Operating the same way as before that! Sun rises and sets.
She’s a tool
My usual “horrible bathroom experience”: choosing the stall with NO toilet paper. Ya think I’d know by now, to always check and choose accordingly, but sometimes, it’s URGENT and I forget! 😉
ok she wants to make me barf but that’s a waste of perfectly good Scotch already consumed.
She looks like Betty Bowers with her hair down.
How much longer are they gonna go on? Comments already surpassed last night’s.
so is her sexuality a part of why she works hard for her employer? i am so confused.
Stay out of my country beatch!! I’ll find you my little Pretty!!!
what on earth did this woman just say???
Gramiam passes the emesis basin to Nan.
Nan – does their behavior make you wanna open a can of whoopash on their stupid butts?
is she wearing pink cause she thinks folks should not be discriminated against but there is a boogeyman in the bathroom and that just won’t do.
beware of women with 4 names dressed in pink..
Hot pink but narrow!!
I must have some kind of delay going on – you all are typing things AS I’m hearing them. Wild.
No problem for me, justafahmah… I use my shoes to open the doors. 😎
this one – unrealistic to think that life can be only a smooth ride…
now talking continuum. gambling – still gotta deal with drugs, food, temper – whatever the issue is
gotta play the hand they’re dealt
work to rein in their behavior (if I hear *behavior* one more time, I’m going to LOSE IT)
“I’m Karen, U should know who I am.”
fairness is not fair. ????
Back
Charlie, Charlie, Charlie. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Just because a lot of people of little intelligence and a lot of fear say no on the ordinance does not make it legit or fair. And I do not believe you when you say that your sister has lived a life as a lesbian and has never been discriminated against. Come noe Charlie, be truthful.
sauerkraut, don’t forget the bathroom door handles. Major germs on your way out…
fairly reasonable compassionate person….does not require perfection of anyoone…..not fearful of anyone. oh here it comes. sexual deviance is not a problem. all of us deal with struggles. different people are assigned or born along that continuum….like gambling? struggle with sexuality or alcohol or food or temper? just play the hand you are dealt. work harder to rein in your behavior. if you have to work harder then you just work harder to rein in those unfair continuum thingees.
So discrimination is just a cross gays have to bear.
I’m confused… I keep seeing alternating Celtic Diva and bathroom invasion comments… certainly not her making those types of comments.
Anyways… everyone knows that the most dangerous thing in a public restroom is the uncleaned terlet… following by the floor which too many people hit after missing the maw.
“My sister ‘chose’ to become a lesbian – has never told me she was discriminated against” (why should she? I don’t think he’d hear her if she did)
more oppose than for – well, sure – THEY ARE ALL BUSED IN FROM THE BAPTIST CHURCHES not in anchorage! his lesbian sister does not suffer discrimination at mc donalds, so therefore it does not exist. they are really pushing for more names on list – more to be bused in, from everywhere but anchorage.
Perhaps the should hold the hearing in the bathroom as that is where everyone is hanging out.
The reds would truck in from the lower 48 to testify to slow this thing down. The Assembly should have closed it to outside of Anch.
AGAIN!!!!
Enough Potty Talk.
We ALL go there.
VERY few of us have had “unpleasant” experiences at a public restroom.
Why do we ALL OF A SUDDEN have to ANTICIPATE as horrific a thing as a TG?
To tell the “GOD’S” honest truth… As a woman, using women’s facilties in puiblic, I’ve never had an issue.
If a TG/G/L/whatever walked in, I’d PROBABLY be behind my LOCKED stall door and when I emerged (FULLY CLOTHED) would PROBABLY wash my hands and then dry them without incident.
FTLOG, these folks MUST get out of my bathrooms, be they in my OWN HOME or on the interstate at rest areas.
@ Lori-
Bwa ha ha…good one.
oh he did not say his sister CHOSE to be a lesbian
I’m fried. How can these Assembly people allow people who don’t live in Anchorage , don’t pay school taxes there , don’t pay property taxes there , don’t spend money there , come slithering into this building and tell them how to vote on something that is none of their FU^*ing business ?? WTF
open-minded…? somewhat like the democratic process where every vote counts. far more speaking opposed than for. so it only makes sense that you vote no cause we packed this place with red shirts.
We’re now close minded as too many reds in a row!! Need some blues — please.
I suggest the Assembly limit the speakers to voters- and no repeats.
a red shirt speaking of “open-mindedness”? LOL
Lori….you crack me up! Your commentary is great.
What’s up with all these “bathroom stories”? That must have been the talking point of Prevo’s last sermon.
he spewing legaleseall over the room. Somebody get out the mops…
shoot, with that many people in the john, you’d think they could have managed to defend themselves from the “cross-dressers”
Taking a hurl break!!
“Invasion of the Bathrooms,” now playing at a theater near you. A pervert with every flush! They probably steal all the toilet paper too.
The bathroom issue in the building as she said last week in this building — spoke to security. The Assembly can and should ask the security if anybody came out to complain!!!
OMG.
What percentage of these idiots actually listened to what they said? Do they think they make sense…never mind.
Time for another Fat Tire- good thing I’m not driving.
is he trying to be boring?
OMG, the flag tie on this guy!
I can’t tell, did he haul a bible with him?
ty Lori
sigh.
how about that patriotic tie on this guy?
Does he think his tie will give him brownie points??
red shirt AND flag tie!! Give me a break!! New guy.
oh he is precous with his tie
lose the tie dude. it clashes.
no more signups today – they’re trying to figure out what’s next re more testimony
good point Nan – the bathroom invasions are already rampant apparently, so what changes with the ordinance?
Speaker, do your freakin’ homework!!
“discussed FUTHERLY” lol
Not ONE of these bathroom dwellers has mentioned that this happened WITHOUT benefit of this ordinance?
They fuss that this will be happening with passage of the ordinance, but yoohoo… according to *them*, it’s already happening!
sheesh.
discussed furtherly – oh stop
The bathroom thingy. WTF? Did she also look under those “men” dressed in “women” clothing and see what they were or did she go in the stall with them? Just asking?
Assemblywoman is nailing speaker to the wall.
she is so articualte. NOT.
again with the mayor thing…give it up!
we have a procedure. see….this is how we do things….so why did you think this is different? oh now she doesn’t remember her statement.
They won’t let anybody else sign up.
Nice little snark sideswipe – Is this how you want to be remembered as assembly members.
the dressing rooms at JC Penneys, as well as the bathrooms, they are everywhere!
I don’t get it….there are STALLS in ladies’ rooms…no one knows who’s behind the door? What a stupid excuse.
OMG! Bathroom…again???
Sarah’s twin?
Just how damn big IS that jon, anyway?
1001 Lori in Los Angeles Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 8:16 PM
nice to hear Linda’s voice after reading her blog for so long. She is a good speaker.
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Yes! I had not heard Linda speak before, she really is good! 🙂
One in 1,500 babies are born with both male and female genitalia. I have an in-law who was male on the outside, with a uterus on the inside. When he was a teenager he had pms, and often felt like wearing female clothing, etc.. he was attracted to boys. He did have the broad shoulders, developed muscular forearms, but was very conflicted on his identity. It was well into his twenties, when he decided to pursue the life of a man, and underwent many hormonal treatments to get rid of the female problems he was having. Well, he is married and a father now, and the best deal for his wife is she has a husband who can fix cars, fix computers, build houses, and change diapers, clean the house and cook – oh, he likes to sew too! 🙂
it’s a family affair!!!! and a bathroom problem again!!! aren’t there doors on the stalls up there? what’s the deal?
She wants the assembly to protect the public from the restrooms? Seriously?
i am so freaking excited — boys in the bathroom? at JC PEnney’s?
no gays shop at the JC. just saying.
Wow…this is moving so fast I can’t keep up. From what I’m reading it is a lot of losers and brainwashed zealots getting up there spewing a bunch of BS with a few refreshing and intelligent voices peppered in.
I would be willing to buy a ticket and fly up there for the next one if they are letting people who don’t live in Anchorage (or Alaska) testify. I’m not afraid to speak my mind and I have more than half a brain. I can’t wait to read this whole thread. I’m outraged with what what I’m reading here.
OMG!! She lies like a Persian Rug!! The restroom again!!
Another person in bathroom with the 100 others that claimed they were there.
Oh no! The restroom? Again?
Sure enough, it has already happened. There is no law. OMIGOD.
Perhaps she should have closed the stall door?
Oh Lord! I don’t believe this.
WTF??? Did all the red shirt women hit the bathroom at the same time last week?
oh my god !!!! i am witnessing a BATHROOM story
Diva!! Rules!!
Another voice of reason among the one’s of insanity and fearmongering. Yea!!!
nice to hear Linda’s voice after reading her blog for so long. She is a good speaker.
Go Diva!
see that is just wrong — slashed tires truly sucks
Yeah Celtic Diva!
GO CELTIC DIVA!!
YaY for Celtic Diva!!!
celtic diva!!!
Celtic Diva is up! 🙂 🙂
#324? how many folks were signed up to speak tonight? anyone know?
4×5 for this man!!
The stream is jittery… guess lotsa youse are listening in. Thanks for the blow by blow.
post #1000 coming right up.
or maybe not.
That guy with the beret gets a 5!
The thing is the blues just talk too well for the reds to even understand them.
thanks for the window on your challenges, keep strong. Gotta go
yeppers, Lori. I must also research tomorrow.
Yes!!! Some bible quotes I can get behind!!
they should give continuing education credits for bible college…..
@ Trish: Me too. And at the same time he is standing up for his brand of Christianity that teaches hate and intolerance. And because he got married does not mean a thing except maybe his wife is a shield.
What’s this problem with having an Acting Mayor. While there is the vacancy until the next sworn in, he carries out the business of the city.
Does Sullivan go to Prevo’s? Therefore knows he will try to block this?
And how about gays stop hitting on me. And how about the cow jumped over the moon, and how about I get beat up for being a nerd, and how about the sitting mayor over there, and how about the bathroom stuff, what going on about that?
lol justafarmer –
here is another Lutheran Buddist, I must look into that, have not heard it b4 tonight.
It’s all about fear. Fear you will be converted, or your kids will be converted. Fear that you will have to see the ‘gays’…that they won’t have to hide. Feel sorry for all of these very very fearful people. Their fear sometimes turns to hate. That is where we have to be better, and help them understand, and not hate in return.
It is hard to hear some of these statements, but at the same time this amazing public dialog is a remarkable thing, and very educational for everyone. I wish this was happening in every city and every town, because we can’t fix it till we really talk about it. Thanks AKM for providing this forum to share these thoughts with so many of us who can’t be there.
He’s MARRIED? Poor woman..
okay he never knew what a ballot was until he married his wife
that is going to keep me awake tonight
I’m sorry, I know it may make you all nuts, but I am seriously chuffed that these immigrants are *exercising* their right to speak their mind re government. They may have a better idea of its importance than some of us. (we just have to educate them is all lol)
so, he got hit on by guys – why not just say no? they are going to punch his lights out for being a Christian. poor, victimized, persecuted Christians, they love to play this card. He points at the acting mayor, and says “who is this guy?”
he wishes that someone ANYONE will hit on him.
This kid is pathetic!!
ennealogic: I could have said that, but you did. Brat.
Love to all.
This guy admits he’s totally ignorant about politics and public policy, so we is supposed to listen to him.
yikes – let’s not talk about his wife. ooooh that was really close
I try not to judge others, but I think that guy IS gay!
The Russians to know the finer details of your laws as to gays are already protected.
This guy’s an idiot.
are you guys at the meeting protecting your forehead from thumping on the back of the seat in front of you? cause i would have a bruise by now.
Gays hit on me in and out of high school. Honey, you either got guys whose “gaydar” was broke, or you are sending out some powerful pheremones.
they deserve to be discriminated against because one hit on me
right……..right………
@Justafarmer: I think not!!!
“Totally messed up”
Bet this guy has been called gay a million times…
Yh-oh! another guy w/history of being “hit on by couple gay guys”
::thud::
is this going to have a happy ending with the gay guys that tried to hit on him?
If I had a business
If I had a house
Sound familiar — If I don’t look at the vid — Joe the Plumber back
9 akmuckraker Says: June 17th, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Testing
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Did you pass… or fail?
he sounds like he is going to cry………..cause he really really really wants the freedom to ban the gays.
These Russian redshirts, do they even know what they are reading? That’s not a snark, really, do they have ANY idea?
Lynnrockets needs to write a song called “Talking Points Rag”
Clydedog, don’t know whether to laugh or boo
Wait…..is this Borat ?? same guy from the other nite ??
When they started, it was 550 on the list
Oh, my! You said to “take a deep breath” before entering the site with the streaming … you did not warn me to park my brains at the door. I wish you would have.
Hats off to all of the Blue-Bravehearts who sat through the meandering, off-point, and illogical ‘testimony.’ {Although, I must admit, some of the Redders telling how *they* were discriminated against…and then insisting *others* be *likewise* discriminated against, made me do such double-takes that I now have whiplash. My jowls got quite a workout from rapid side-to-side shaking over some of the Redder’s comments, too.}
😉 And, why didn’t Mudflats report that Alaska -the territory of my birth- had adopted the bible as its sole source of law? Sheesh…you’re failing in your civic duty, there, oh Yellow Booted One. 😉
he is concerned about churches — well, we can agree on one thing at least
All these “red” people are examples of why this ordinance is so necessary; they are all admitting that they want to continue to discriminate against anyone who is not heterosexual. I’m out of town right now, so can’t be there to testify, so I wish I was seeing more “blue” people testifying on the live stream I am viewing. It looks like they haven’t even screened people to be sure that they are residents of the Municipality of Anchorage, which I don’t get at all, unless there is some back room agenda that wanted more “red” people from the valley to add their opinions to this ordinance discussion.
the russians are coming, the russians are coming. and they do not like the Gays, none of them in support it seems.
Sergio is back, he talked last night.
I can hear the russians from my house
see i like his accent. no need to apologize for the way ya was born and raised dude.
Holy crap… they really are serious about letting everyone speak aren’t they? How hundreds more have yet to speak? Are normal people going to get a chance to get up and spank the red-shirts at some point?
932 as I type this… let’s see if it hits 950 by the time it posts.
Wow, anybody notice how many Russians are speaking? Peaceful invasion? LOL!
Red — Has all the speech down about frivolous lawsuits, documents, all stuff needed.
He’s talking about protection for bigger groups like Religion? WTF — You have that.
sigh…….
Gramiam, those threats weren’t all htat veiled, from where I sit. Angry guy!`
The Russian guy should be more tolerant of others due to the fact that it is our Constitution that gives him the right to be a citizen in America nad allows him to enjoy basic rights.
did we run out of the blue pills? cause i didn’t get that whole thing about starting to protect the majority instead of the minority….
The SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!! So sayeth the latest Red Shirt.
yes, there are huge herds of gays waiting to pounce on unsuspecting employers as soon as this is passed. And they will use a different bathroom each day.
my screen has a BIG glare from top of this guys head. blinding glare, ouch.
Buddy–if you didn’t discriminate, you wouldn’t get sued…Duh.
15 balls – that is all i am going to remember…..
The Kid who issued the veiled threats about corruption. Bet he is a Palinbot.
califpat — i was pretty confused too. especially when he said he goes home to do what he believes in?
Oh my…from the sounds of it things are not going well. I had to leave for a meeting tonight and just got back. Are they still letting the “out-of towners” speak? Why are these “religious” people so full of hate and judgement? I am not religious at all and I know I have WAY more compassion and love than these people profess to have. What is happening here?
lol, Gramian, got that right!
de-escalate
Now, I don’t agree with this guy, but I am just giddy that here is a man that has learned he does have a voice in this country, and he is using that voice to speak what he feels is right.
That’s just terrific. (he has gay friend, he didn’t know, but found out and is still friends)
He had to watch his back a little more often because of his gay friend? Gag me.
OBAMA now, oy vey – well, at least he prays for our prez. instead of promoting violence.
niters Ennealogic!
Was the guy who wanted to vote for or against the ordinance? I wasnt quite sure.
Watch it, young Russian person. Sarah Palin may come after your butt!!.
i know this is going somewhere. but i would never have thought it would go “against it”. he teeters between being half-way cool and then splat….
Nan,
Agreed. He spoke more like a young punk. Threatening looking to the blues. Turns to reds – should be decided by them! Dun’t think so
feels gay style is not safe (naturalized citizen). not against people – just against “style”
Well – here is the “Borat” of the evening……..poor schmuck
is this the radio guy who pranked sarah on the campaign trail? “gays=AIDS, Im a not a gonna support a that.”
Gay lifestyle is not safe…and this has to do with discrimination how?
but Alaska does not have a state tax, right? so the $300 every two weeks goes to DC not Anchorage so he’s not paying for anyone’s lunch there.
Last night’s late live blogging has caught up…
Got to rest, work in less than 8. Bless you all who still listen to the all-too-frequent arrogant ones.
And for what it is worth, I really respect the Anchorage Assembly for sitting through all this.
@redwoodmuse – may peace be with you and strenght and rejuvination be with your SIL
@justafarmer – hope your chicks all survive the storms and that you get some much needed rest
and @everyone else… remember that in order to change the world, the only thing we can affect directly is ourselves.
Be well, mudpuppies. I do love you.
851 clydedog Says: In my tiny town we only have public hearings about sewers and garbage collection.
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so tongue in cheek, your comment made me chuckle..
maybe one of our “problems” here in AK is we are only 50 years old, and going through growing pains …
a russian against gays, go figure, they still deny aids exists
sorry, you make me laugh at every turn!
nuttin’ like a few threats, eh?
Loves himself some audience… he needs to do some community theater.
If this should be decided by vote most of those behind this young man couldn’t vote.
Doggonit Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 7:53 PM
Christian guy wants an ordinance to protect him from discrimination for being a dwarf.
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You’re Bad!! ROFL
yewwww, I hate people who feel they are entitled to lecture people…
we need to vote on this, this is a “home rule” city – we should be voting on this matter – not for an ACTING MAYOR to rush this through.
bring back the kid that had trouble reading
oh, yowch.
Saying that it should be referendum, not the assembly/council folks
thank goodness “for the yellow”
the old I pay your salary
ouch — that was really awful. i stand before you so you can sit before us?
WTF was that Reddie spewing???11
horme rule?
gay/les – “not quite right – they scare me, frankly”
At least he is honest enough to admit they scare him.
celtic diva has veen called up. go Linda.
sounds like freakin’ deliberate, malice-aforethought, obtuseness
bet this young short guy has probs in public bathrooms. Is he related to last night’s Mr. Unavailable?
he is scared of gays, mabey because he is short
i never understood the argument that man + woman = right
aren’t GLBT people the children of a man + woman?
so doesn’t that make it “right”?
ooooo brian the moose is up next?
sorry seems Shannyn has a keeper though Shannyn is a keeper also too
“nite, Ripley- don’t forget that mudpups love you.
OK, citing the dictionary is not a persuasive argument.
Mr. Christian: If you are not gay, how would you know if a person is born gay or not. What you do know is that you are intolerant of others and that’s all you know!
he is using all his time to read the dictionary. thnx mr. daniel webster.
@seattlefan Kelly is Shannyn’s Kelly, smart and good looking so she’s seems to be a keeper. Some of these guys have mentioned a parade that had people wearing dog collars (?) sorry i missed that parade
Another red shirt guy
He’s been discriminated because he looks too young and he’s too short, and because he is a Christian.
[I can see where this is going.]
Christian guy wants an ordinance to protect him from discrimination for being a dwarf.
New guy, I am short, young looking, Christian. I am discriminated against. Poor baby!!
oy — this young man needs to have a bit more passion. i almost felt his pain for not being recognized for being 23. but he can’t read.
being short is the same as being gay
what on earth is with the reddies carrying up the big black bibles to the podium? I thought they all this stuff memorized.
I can’t watch any longer…. I hate this. I”m outta here.
Guy says Christian are being killed all around the world for what they belief in.
he believes in Jesus Christ, so therefore is against the ordinance. quite the conclusion, lol. here comes another bible guy.
Not born gay, just born with a sinful nature. We Christians are the ones discriminated against. Yeah, right!!
Red shirt guy:” I’m a believer in Jesus christ so I am against this ordinance.”
Nuff said.
clydedog
In my experience, I really sucks to be a bigger owner. But I’m tryin to let that go.
if you believe in Jesus you have to be against
I will not listen to you but you must listen to me.
Lady says she wouldn’t send her child to a school that teaches Darwinism. Where is she going to find that?
so this girl would be okay if she’s not hired because she’s blonde? she seems to think it’s okay for businesses to use whatever criteria they want.
Must be nice to be so sure you are the only ones who are right. Geeeeesh!!
this lady sure believes in her right to discriminate – does she know how stupid this sounds?
Thank you kerryann63
Dog collars? WTF is that about.
Kelly….who is Kelly?
I get the rest.
Thanks again.
I am against it because my dad is
Her mention that non-profits may loose some federal funding because of discrimination is trueful. It raises the point that it’s unfortunate that no one can address the issue of Prevo having tax-exemption and he participates in government issues.
Wave the flag and chastise the unelected mayor for voting for this ordinance. Wants to hear more religious rants until Sullivan vetoes.
seth is objecting on grounds that this is not an elected mayor. taking away rights of the people.
Seth Roberts – “so far the people have been ignored in this ordinance…” He’s against. Says that Claman who gets to vote on this is wrong.
this guy is totally anti Mayor. Taking away his right to vote.
@seattlefan lots of worry about bathrooms for some reason, men apparently not comfortable with their own sexuality and dog collars in parades. Oh and Kelly
Why is the person on or with the panel wearing red. Political or not very observant.
oops. Spoke too soon- glad there are some voices of reason.
You know, the blues are so much better prepared. Each of them speaks from their heart. The reds are so unhinged.
Snos, I find it distressing too that people who have suffered from anything at all would not want to do what they can to prevent others suffering. It seems there are people who say, “this happened to me. I didn’t like it. I don’t want anyone else to go through it.” Then there seems to be people who want others to suffer as they did. I wish we knew what made the difference.
Had to leave for a couple of hours. Back now and hoping the tide has changed. No way to catch up on the comments. Can someone give a 10 word or less summary what I missed the last 2 hours? Thanks.
Gramiam, yes, we do! Cool!
Kay, masters degree, mentions that this discussion has been going on since ’76. Exhorts Golden Rule. Urge passage of ordinance. Strengthens her statement by noting recent hate crimes (e.g Tiller). She does social service. Does not discriminate.
In my tiny town we only have public hearings about sewers and garbage collection.
Ahhhhhh…..
At 11:51 EST a lovely young man came forth to share his thoughts and one part of his statement was “and the sky’s not going to fall if this ordinance passes” and it was followed by a woman quoting the Golden Rule.
Liked the Kelly guy–made sense, and nice to look at!
Can he speak again, please???
Older lady geta a big 5 In fact I’m giving her two 5’s
Yikes. Same ass hat logic before I made a beer run, same ass hat logic now that I’m back. Are they clones?
Lady is from Anchorage too.
she is great!
kelly walters lives in anchrage and pays taxes there. good point, I wish the assemby did not allow the bused in people or people of either side to testify if not residents. anchcorage issue.
this lady says one side is fear and hate and one side hope and (something else good )sounds like the red Repubs and the blue Dems in Washington too.
Older lady, harks back to 1975 ordinance. “Where is Golden Rule? Seniors ROCK!!
Iowa a liberal bastion……..I like him……..urging to vote yes …..liked his comment about living there , other speakers don’t
Like this guy
Laws in lower 48 – Sun still rising. Sky won’t fall. People still getting married!
Fortune 500 company worked for 17 years. Has Sex orientation laws — not one problem
Kelly Walters. Lives in Anchorage. Addresses fear. Asserts that sexual orientation is part of training he got in companies he’s worked for. Tries to dispel fear about 64, so that people who choose religion or are born gay can be respected.
YAY for him!!!
Can I take him home?
wow Shannyn, he’s hot and smart. what a catch!!!!
Yesssssssssss!! A real Anchorite. Not even close to “Gay Marriage”. like in Iowa. Way behind that. a big high 5!!!!
Kelly: Check your religion at the door! YAY
rephrasing – not enforced well enough – that’s what I should have said, didn’t mean to suggest it wasn’t.
nice point this guy made: I live here in Anchorage and pay taxes here.
My love is with every soul that takes a breath; God loves no other.
another one with “rushing things thru” and suggesting that it’s been “questionable” how it’s been going on.
protecting children from molesters (isn’t that already on the dang books? just not enforced apparently – sorry)
Passing will lead to child molestation. Flawed because it has no protection. I think there are other laws for that.
Red – We will vote this one down if it gets approved.
Law a disaster. Children not protected from child molesters.
Why isn’t that in there (ord docs)?
yet another plea from chairwoman for people to stop cheering etc…
Some half bald man in white shirt, wants to see ordinance voted down. He’s been in on this debate for years. Can’t understand whether ‘teh gay’ is nurture, nature or something else. Talking about collective morality and wants to see numbers that show there is really discrimination. Bringing up “for the children.”
it’s Kelly!
here we go, children and child molesters. Bathrooms can’t be far behind…
@justafarmer yeppers he’s got a dictionary and knows how these politicians work. he’ll be watching and he will know
who is he keep looking at over his shoulder?
“the condition”? I have to mute this guy!
Threatens action if approved. “We know who you are” is the implication. yet another asshat.
*yyyaaaawwwwnnnn*…
These “straights” sure seem to know alot about gay history and culture.
Inappropriate talk and intimidation going on outside. I haven’t seen it — but it’s both sides doing it. WTF??
did he just accuse the Assembly members of nefarious backroom deals???
Did he say backroom politics or bathroom politics?
she is pleading ith them to stop cheering and yelling. who is in charge here? escort them out for pete’s sake.
good grief, HUGE clapping and whoopin’ and hollerin’ for that guy.
Yadda, yadda, yadda!!
Robbie Helk, asked for time to restart. Looks to Claman, wants time restarted. Tells Claman he needs to attend to other issues, economic, … he hasn’t heard of discrimination but he will allow it exists. Red jacket. “is this the truth.. have to filter the truth .. this ordinance does not line up with truth.” Claims that red shirts have been intimidated from coming forward.
“what is truth” – WHAT????
im back
people actually expect me to work at wok. jeez
Guess this guy cannot multi-task like others. Making sure everyone stops everything to listen to HIM.
Removes red hat out of respect not to be a turncoat like a person last night.
ok, I’m back. Had to reboot…
another guy with a dictionary
I’m with you, Ripley!! Scary dude.
oh boy. asked to start the timer over again. Now insists on full attn from “Acting Mayor may I have your attn (pause pause)- did you stop the timer for this?” geez.
Can I have your attention ?? prick…..
wow this guy’s a real tool. red hat, red jacket, red shirt very combative mr acting mayor?
Mr. Suit, holier than thou: when did basic human rights become special privileges or Special rights. How is giving a segment of the population the same rights you so thoroughly enjoy to them going to take you rights away from you?
Asshat!!!!! trying to school the assembly.
what a chooch this guy is. He’s really confrontational. I’d be afraid of him on the street.
Paula Davis. Has faced discrimination as woman who has applied for male job. She is teacher. Says she didn’t think so before but now it is very important to teach tolerance. Ordinance is important to work toward equal rights.
tolerance is the future in our multi-culteral society says this teacher. amen.
love teacher lady a big 5
The lady behind him looks like a feisty type. Give ’em hell, honey!! Paula Davis,teacher
required to teach a tolerance program. Didn’t understand the reason until now.
This is gross and uninformed and ridilucous. But this is Alaska. It’s accepted most everywhere (she said diplomatically.) You are not inventing a new alphabet.
procedural guy turned into deviant guy
Now, Mike Flanagan #227
Believes this ordinance is addressing behavior and not people groups… says ordinance is being ramrodded through. He thinks laws proposed are not based on facts. Is concerned that ‘sexual orientation’ allows bestiality, pedophiles etc. “Can’t take away MY rights and give them to someone else and call that fair.” Deviant.
O.M.G. he’s talking about deviant behaviors, ie. human/animal pairings!!! WTF?
There is always some procedural bozo who love to hear themselves talk.
Snoskred: I’m sorry that you feel “out of the fold”. Really, I do. Keep up the good fight for a healthy lifestyle!
However, on a plane (or train, bus, amusement ride, etc.) seats are “made” to accommodate “average”.
If one is “above” average, that poses a problem in either comfort to other users (crowding) or revenue (2 seats for the price of 1).
I am NOT discriminating against the “over average”, but industries make fine calculations on how big a seat should be based on a ton of data.
That the few rare “over average” (trying desperately to be PC, here) folks seem entitled to take away the comfort or revenue just doesn’t seem right to me, with my VERY LIMITED KNOWLEDGE AND RESEARCH (disclaimer) on the subject.
I am NOT bashing the overweight. I’m no stick thinner myself. I’m 5’7″ and about 160… definitely could lose a few pounds.
I’m just saying that there are OTHER concerns that have to be considered…. mainly 1) other passenger comfort and 2) losing revenue.
Businesses are in business to make $$. As crass as it may sound, forcing them to give someone 2 seats for the price of one only increases the burden (higher prices) on those who don’t require this accommodation.
I love you for who you are, and as you are. Please don’t get me wrong. I just don’t think the Public At Large should foot the bill in $$ or discomfort.
Respectfully in every sense,
Samper
Where does he get this don’t ask don’t tell crap like it is some law.
I just tuned in and I have to say, y’all have stronger stomachs than me. I cannot take it! What a fearful bunch… ugh.
Buffalo Gal, I don’t know about him in FL either.
and did I just hear body sounds again?
“I’d Like to welcome the new moral majority to the Assembly”
Sounds like a snark? Oh god, he’s saying that to pass this will be at the expense of others. He’s doing an “I’m better than you” routine and dissing the Assembly.
He’s basically a proponent for don’t ask, don’t tell, and doesn’t believe the Assembly should validate ‘teh gay.’
he says that people don’t really care what people do in their private life.
The red-shirts have thrown that idea out, wouldn’t you say?
I love that , being in Buffalo, I don’t know about Glenn Beagle (SP??)
Please tell me about him and what he’s about. I really like (and might love ) where he’s going with this . 11:35PM EST.
What is with the “enhanced rights” talking point. It is about basic rights.
ratzzzzz. Hope everyone else can see/hear. I got nothing but a bathroom.
He better leave my damn cookies alone!!
New guy… ” I would like to welcome the New Moral Majority to the Assembly” ……Don’t ask Don’t tell”
This guy quoting from Genesis talks about changing your heart. He needs to change his heart to open it to all people.
Is the guy Al Gore?
jeez, i seem to be chatty tonight. do these people realize that God did not write the bible? men wrote the bible giving it their oh-so-special misogynistic slant.
just came back here after a break – a sea of red shirts, ugh. this one has learned bigotry at such a young age, and he speaks about love? a prom in Boston discrimated agains God. Now, HE is the victim for supporting Jesus. ugh.
Why the clapping allowed tonight??
#181 Brian, red shirt, “obviously in opposition” … reading scripture Genesis. He claims he is discriminated against because he heard a protester say something that was an abomination to him. Quoting a “world net daily” article. [LOLOL] He’s now claiming he is being discriminated against.
oh noes!!!!! lost the livestream!!!!
at 11:30pm – What in the world is this man saying talking about the Noah floods connected with the ordinance? He’s quoting something about leather and heavy petting.
He’s saying that this is against his choice. “We have to change hearts, not laws” .
What??
back to the Scotch bottle if he mentions bathrooms…
Sure!!! SKINHEAD!!
For all these reds talking the dressing as man one day and woman next, the burden of proof should be on them with legal certified copies of documentation proving it. Paranoia Plus!!
Preacher snark. “My God?” Not just yours, mumbskull!
dog collars in the parade? so sorry I missed it! I don’t know if it’s normal or not but it sounds a lot like the Hasty Pudding parades that Harvard has every year! it’s considered a great honor to be invited and an even greater honor to be grand marshal
spare me the Bible quotes. please!!!!!!!!
can you say skinhead?
I just wanted to congratulate all of you who were fearless and went to the bathroom during the Assembly break.
For those who need our support in the future, just let us know. I am sure someone here would volunteer to go with you to guard the bathroom door for you.
If a 17 yr old football player wants to dress up like a cheerleader, what can you do?
buffalogal – agreed, that gal was a honey.
Milton Berle in drag was very bad!! Can’t tell your orientation without a program. Geeeeeesh!!
What??? If a man decided to change clothes with a cheer leader???
And again with the bathrooms??
Gerry from Anchorage, red shirt. Bringing up NAMBLA. Fearing men with dog collars. Law in place now is sufficient. What happens when an employer loses his rights due to this law…
NAMBLA — Gays are pedophiles. FAIL
OMG, this guy makes me speechless.
he’s bringing up NAMBLA… that organization is deviant. It’s also illegal already.
what’s with the dog collars?
AGAIN with bathroom talk…. *chug*
And of course Lady there were no documentation that African Americans were being discriminated against at one time but they were and it took a diversity of people to help fight for the rights that allow you to stand up there and say the nonsense you are spewing. How dare you infringe on other people’s rights and spew discrimination in the name of love. You should be one who knows how it feels to be denied your rights and have empathy for other people who are being discriminated against. I am shamed of you and your bigotry. Sheesh!
YAY for her!!!!!
741 Gramiam Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 7:14 PM
Was that a fart or a belch?
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that’s what I want to know.
think it was a belch tho
@Gramiam @741 with this bunch? same difference
Julie, white woman, west Anchorage resident. Found testimony ill informed. Gives recent history of discrimination, along with personal anecdotes. Supports ordinance as an advancement for civil rights.
YESSSSSSS!! This lady is wonderful.
She is hitting all the bases, women, ethnicity, pregnancy….
I can’t watch and be mesmerized by this woman who is speaking wonderfully and type at the same time. Let me just say that at 11:26 EST , the woman that is speaking has my respectful nod and hand shake.
OOh. she was good.
Hey, b. Talk to you soon, ‘k? This is wild here. Good grief, don’t we know what tolerance and acceptance is? (speaking for us on the east coast) I don’t get it: what’s the deal? Nothing. We’re all just human, get over it. It’s been at least 30 years when this has been an issue with anyone that I know.
Gramiam
It’s moving the squeaky mike
oh, this woman sounds like she’s just barely holding back the tears….
oy vey
Ripley: LOL!
The more I drink, the harder to keep up!
Luckily, I won’t have to use a *GASP* bathroom any time soon!
Was that a fart or a belch?
OK, did I miss a memo or something? When did the Lord come down here to discuss this subject? Last I heard it’s been at least 1980 years since he’s been in town.
they have a right to be the way they are – but … and mentions effects on children attacked by … blah blah – abomination
“not a person of hate” mentions “legitimate discrimination”
At least no bathroom!
“these life styles are not healthy but I don’t want my grandchildren attacked by these people”
“the lord proves that these people are an abomination”
black woman opposing #64.. no documented evidence this discrimination based on sexual orientation is a problem. “These lifestyles are not healthy.” Fear of being attacked by a homosexual. Lord says behavior is an ABOMINATION.
oh boy. “no documented evidence of disccrim based on sex orientation – no denial of housing, or even of employment” – back in 85 when she was an investigator for the state
now mentioning the courts and “common decency” and “not healthy”
Gram: I got a Gramps who’s available.
Interested in a hook up to get a little sumpin’ sumpin’?
No documentation of discrimination.
What are they supposed to do — put a nanny cam in their hat
My 2 kitties have been “banned” from my office tonite.
Even THEY can’t be subjected to this … um… filth.
How is it that any time I enter a public bathroom, all I’m met with is same-gendered females of the same persuasion?
What am I missing on this merry-go-round we call life?
NOT ONCE have I run into a “less than womanly” woman in a restroom.
I feel CHEATED, dammit!
In my humble experiences, all psych nurses are nuts. Just sayin’
Dang – just got the “Taxi” call from the son………back soon…what ?? watch again ?? UM-m-m NO !!……..oops….heard it again !!
hey minnj and austintx and ripley. i am fine but am tipsy. went shopping with sis and stopped by our favorite spot near madison square garden. had dinner and a few drinks and participated in a vodka sniffing and guessing game and the absolute folks insisted that your bubbles have a drink on them so now i am tipsy and can hardly write..b
Watch the whole thing again??? My liver would fail!!
they’re baaaaa-aaack!
from my experience the only thing these red shirt women have to fear from gays in the ladies loo? fashion critique! my bff (his term, not mine) is brutal when it comes to what not to wear. oooooooh we’re BACK!
The last guy that was on (preacher dude/dj) tried to make the point that no one knew what was in your mind (ie if you are gay) so there is no need for an ordinance. What he doesn’t get is it doesn’t protect from people that don’t know or don’t care, it protects us from people who do know (for whatever reason) and do care (to discriminate). Details lost on most of the crowd I am sure.
OMG!! You mean all those kids may be playing doctor?
the problem child wrote –
Snos, In Canada the rights of the obese are also protected re: airline and train seats (public transportation). Being overweight does not always mean lack of control re: “chips and cokes”.
Your point is well taken, however re: “choices”. The problem, of course, is it’s not always a choice. Many overweight people have underlying disabilities that mean they can’t get out and exercise.
And many overweight people are discriminated against in ways that gay or lesbian people are – because they are not stick thin people – because they are different. The fact that any of them are coming out against this ordinance really steams me up. They should be for it – and they should be asking to add in something about *size* in there.
I know it isn’t always a choice – as I said, I am not stick thin myself. I am for a society that does not discriminate against anyone at all, including fat people like that woman who got up there with her hate. I know why she has hate – she gets a lot of it directed at her due to her size. The fact that she does not see the similarity between people hating on her because of her size, and people hating on gays or lesbians just floors me.
It makes me angry. And I have to say, I am not willing to make excuses for her. They claim that being gay is a choice – if that is true, so is being overweight. Sure, some people might have a genetic problem, or it might be physical, but for the majority of people it is just overeating.
For me personally, I believe both are genetic and not a choice.
A pastor got up before and talked about going to the maternity ward and not seeing any homosexual or lesbian babies. He used it as an argument that babies are not born gay. I bet he did not see any obese babies either.
I say this as one of only two people who were overweight being present in the assembly room at school while some local scientist got up there and gave a lecture titled “Why fat people are dirty people”. There is discrimination against people not stick thin – everything from not being able to easily buy clothes that fit, to being forced to buy two plane seats when travelling.
I have personally enjoyed that discrimination for the majority of my life – even when I did manage to lose a lot of weight and get down to a weight which was considered within the healthy weight range for my size, the people at my school still treated me like a fat person. When I moved schools and went to a new place that nobody knew me as a “fat person” things really changed for me.
Regardless of what size I am on the outside – and how normal or not normal I might look today – I will always remember how I was treated when I was larger on the outside. It was horrible. It is not something I would wish on anyone.
So it really makes me mad that any large person would get up there and be against stopping discrimination. That is why I am making these sarcastic comments about that woman. I am angry that she is there, wearing red. She should be there wearing blue. I am angry that the children of any of these people will be forced to hate people because they are different – and some of them will likely suffer discrimination because *they* are different.
BuffaloGal,
Would keep the red shirts out!!
But then they would cry!!
Jealousy? Perhaps a touch of envy? ” I ain’t gettin’ any so why should they”?
Nan: NO laughing! IT’S TRUTH BE TOLD!!!!
You guys are frickin’ HILARIOUS!!!!
Doggonit – we figured yesterday there must have been 40 kids in that bathroom (with the “extra visitors”) so maybe that’s the reason it’s taking so long. Just sayin’
samper, that may be the problem… Their gay “friends” are getting more action.
OK, my only questions are:
Why the bathroom obsession?
Why the bedroom obsession when THEY weren’t even INVITED to the bedroom in the first place??????
Just had a really fun thought of making sure the stalls at the meeting hall were stocked with ” Gays for Jesus” TP with a big ol rainbow in the background.
TMI, Samper!!! LOL!
LOL Inconvenient infant! I have catosexuals in my house too! They follow me in EVERY time! I wonder if having them neutered had anything to do with it!?
This is becoming a long break. Did they all get lost in the bathroom?
problemchild: ME TOO!
Ennealogic Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 7:03 PM
Isn’t about time!?!?! Get it in gear, Assembly! I must say, I am impressed by the folks who sit there and ask questions.
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Very professional, non-confrontive group. I have more faith in them than I did.
ROFL samper
I think we’re all getting slaphappy
Depends were full.
Replaced and reinforced with extra super duper absorbant kotex.
Won’t hold out long at this rate.
Bubbles! Hi, friend! Hope all is well with you my dear.
Isn’t about time!?!?! Get it in gear, Assembly! I must say, I am impressed by the folks who sit there and ask questions.
Is “Mile High Club” allowed?
Oh, kerryann63 – what a fantastic idea! oh, just awesome!
hey minnj- hope you doing fine. i been busy and just had dinner out and a few drinks so i best be off to bed but can’t stop reading the comments. i have been laughing since i came in. talk to you tomorrow sweetheart. love to all you mudpups..love b
okay y’all. Keep your bladders tight cuz the next round is coming up. . . gotta go walk the doggies before lights out. have fun!!!! (and remember: Love thy neighbor (but not, apparently, in a bathroom)
Nan – about Hush (big fan here!) If only the gentleman would steal just red shirt voices…….
hahahahaaaaaa zyggy!
netw3rk @petehoekstra Someone walked in on me while I was in the bathroom. Reminded me of Pearl Harbor!
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No wonder these Red-shirts are scared. Copy and pasted from Greytdogs URL. ROFL!!
Thanks all of you for the blow by blow. Nonstop hilarity. I have to go to bed. I’ll read the next 10 pages tomorrow.
Greytdog – I know hon… I was trying to be make a funny, but all i did was be silly (that works too)
AKM, it’s your job to go into the bathroom at the bldg, and turn around and come out screaming about some Fundie in the bathroom that scared you, and really scream like you mean it.
That way, Fundies will be barred from all public bathrooms in Anchorage. =)
Double dog dare you. =)
Personally I have a waaaay bigger problem with cell phone usage in the next stall than whatever seems to be bothering these people.
“there had been an awful lot of talk about bathrooms… they’ll be back soon”
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Now we know why women go to public bathrooms in pairs 🙂
hey bubbles !! you been following the hijinks ??
bubbles, HI.
mmboucher Florida
there had been an awful lot of talk about bathrooms… they’ll be back soon, I’m sure 😉
Seagull Junker (that name again)
I wonder if SP thinks she’ll be able to pull that one on the IRS. BEt the bots don’t know, either.
Sorry –
try this one
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/06/twitter-users-heckle-hoekstra-en-masse.php?ref=fpb
678 mmboucher Florida Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 6:53 PM
Did everyone go to get a drink or did they go to check out thier bathrooms?
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Both Here………..
I’m glad you’re here Ripley. Even if only for a little while.
and now, during their bathroom break (giggle giggle), I need to go grab clothes from the dryer.
HUGS!!!
Greytdog, URL no good
Gay is how we are and nature is. Not an issue.
Greytdog Δ
Depends!!
I never thought to wear them as some of these comments you guys are making are hilarious.
@ripley, sweet girl don’t sweat the small and evil. you my babygirl…b
I took my potty break already. LOL!
Nobody there but me.
For more giggles see this http://tinyurl.com/m2w468
Nan – Depends. . . diapers 🙂
Gramiam – I was thinking the same thing earlier. I figured that if Jesus showed up he’d be wearing a something blue or a robe with a graphic of a penguin holding hands with another penguin. ( referring of course to the gay penguin story that’s been bandying about )
Ok – I’m going to attempt connecting again to the meeting. It just so doesn’t seem to like me much tho.
Gramiam, I’m glad I came in tonight, too, if only to bear witness to the incredible depths of clarity in this group of puppies. And the humor, wit, and salacious commentary on the red-shirters….impossible to experience any other way.
I’ll wait till they come back in, but if I don’t see more blues, I’m out.
Did everyone go to get a drink or did they go to check out thier bathrooms?
All I care about with others in the bathroom is that they wash their hands.
I’m having a freaking battle over at the ADN about Palin trying not to disclose the Arctic Cat $$ info. The Palinbots are out in force…….It’s freaking discrimination – so not OT.
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Greytdog Δ Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 6:50 PM
“How are you guys SITTING through this?!?
I’ve got a bathroom 10′ away and am STILL peeing in my pants laughing!”
Depends.
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… on what?
663 Ennealogic Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 6:48 PM
BTW even though I never say it aloud, I love all you mudpuppies!
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Me too, Ennealogic! I love all you mudpuppies! you’re the BEST!
Glad you could be here for part of it, Ripley.
“How are you guys SITTING through this?!?
I’ve got a bathroom 10′ away and am STILL peeing in my pants laughing!”
Depends.
PErsonally speaking, rather have some gay guy peeing in the next stall than some primping tweener who uses all the soap and towels and then dumps everything on the floor. . .sheesh.
I’m afraid of what I might type if I played Potty Pong. However, it is so much like Palin Pong that it just might fly.
I’m not going to make it to midnight here. It’s just too ridiculous for me to hear. All it does is inflame me, and I’m trying to decompress after my events of the week. I would not want me there, in that room. I could NEVER hold my thoughts inside my head.
Ennealogic – back atcha 🙂
If Jesus Christ was sitting in that Assembly with his robe, long hair and “Love one another” demeanor, those red shirts would probably crucify him all over again.
mitch is actually a turtle in people clothes…
@ mirage 18 no Potty Pong does not discriminate but it should flush your systems of all those impurities (intentional pun)
austintx – I just realized what the pic made me think of…
You ever see a Buffy episode called “Hush” – ?
I’m so bad. Shame on me
lexky: I’m drinking enough for ALL of us.
I can’t believe how hilarious you guys are!
Watching from Detroit, it kind of makes our “little issues” like 15% unemployment seem insignificant in the scope of your wild weirdness.
How are you guys SITTING through this?!?
I’ve got a bathroom 10′ away and am STILL peeing in my pants laughing!
BTW even though I never say it aloud, I love all you mudpuppies!
Ripley in CT – Forget about the animal sacrifices?? How can I ? I’d lose my member card if I did !
And lexky – some of these folks at this meeting would like me much more if I were only madbat crazy. Somehow “sane and gay” scares them so much more. Go figure!
They’re taking a break right now (bathroom break? BWAAHAHahahaaaa)
Fuzzy Navel here of course it is Florida!
get your minds out of the toilet
phew – made it back safely from the bathroom. it was a close call, saw an odd shaped person in there. realized it was me in the mirror. oh the horror!
Maybe we should play “Potty Pong”? Every time somebody testifying at the Assembly brings up bathroom stories, you get to take a swig. Anyone can play – alcoholic or non-alcoholic beverages can be used as Potty Pong doesn’t discriminate.
It’s not the pipes, anti, it’s the strength of the structure that is in its center. Just making sure that you know.
Gramiam – what a hoot! And good way to handle it.
mitch has no lips
where did they go?
I’m laughing so hard, my eyes are watering!!!
Hilarious BuffaloGal
I never thought of taking my friend into the washroom with me. He’s my go to for my fashion stuff. Beats the store clerks every time. Buy stuff, bring it home and it’s like a runway show. Then return the stuff not needed later!!
That’s why I like the Queer Eye for Straight Guy and Girls show. Felt normal to me!!!
Went to my little site that I find gems on and this was in the top 10 just now.
“That’s one hell of an act you’ve got there. What do you call it?”
http://imgur.com/MIf0G.jpg
3627 BuffaloGal: LOL! Don’t forget the slaughtering of chickens and goats in the bathroom.
If you subtract 75% of the possible LGBTs from testifying due to their fear of recriminations, which I think is a reasonable figure, I’d say those in favor of codifying discrimination are much greater than the number who are against.
discuss.
justafarmer..
im also in the cheap white whine club..
no bourbon for me, and mint julips put me in a coma
Fuzzy Navels here.
617 Nan Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 6:36 PM
antiAnti – thanks Am in st louis – no sirens so far. this is good lol
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I have family just across the river from STL, hope the storms are not going to be bad!
614 Shadow’s Heart Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 6:35 PM Mitch “McConnell….. that man always looks like he just took a big gulp of prune juice. LOL The look never changes.
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His look always struck me as the underside of a small mouth bass…..after taking a gulp of prune juice. Cold fish, that Mitch. Pasty-looking, too. Vitamin D deficiency for sure.
Greytdog, you ALMOST made me spill my drink!
I would guess that many of these folks suffer from “Bashful kidney”.
My only experience with a Lesbian person was when she caught me in the walk-in where I worked as a waitress. I nicely told her I was a “flaming” heterosexual and we both laughed and that was that.
OK, then… Lexky, I will…. and I am scared to go to the bathroom now. What if I come out as a MAN???????
im glad to be part of everybodys partaking of alcoholic beverages tonight..
thank you
yeppers lexky…we are the home of Bourbon and mint juleps!
lexky
cheap white wine here, but the kitty is happy when I’m typing over her head, literally
@MinNJ Says: June 17th, 2009 at 6:29 PM
Thanks. Not worried, happens often here. Usually doesn’t even get up to “WARN”. But then, giggle, we are often advised to seek interior, giggle, bathroom (I guess the pipes add strength).
The unrelenting bathroom references at the meeting are just cracking me up.
Wouldn’t you just love to jump out of a bathroom stall right now – and scare the bejeebers out of the fundies waiting in line – can you imagine??? They could then sing Wade in the Water
nebraska native…drink away
lexky, this Bud (Lite)’s for you!
Also, and I could go on and on, I have never known a gay person to use any bathroom other than the appropriate one for their physical gender. Group hysteria at work. This is quite the psychological study.
buffalogal ur crazy
Wake Up – it’s PITIFUL IGNORANT FEAR – dang it all.
This is like a bad movie…. so terribly sad and ignorant…. Methinks they doth protest too much… AND I can also diagnose, being a professional nurse and therapist, too in my non- AK life. Meanwhile… the tornadoes continue, and I must live to fight (and drink for Lexky) another day, also. Go puppies!!!!!!!!!!!
AKM, are the fundies rushing to the bathroom during break???? Or waiting for someone to sanctify the stalls first?
@Snoskred:
DH just said he’s looking at the monitor and seeing 40 yards of red sailcloth with little heads perched on top.
OMG! I found a spider in my bathroom! YUK!!
I’d much rather find a LGBT in there! They are NOT scary—but spiders sure are!
Gramiam – As a gay woman I can share with you that gay people don’t pee. Our time in restrooms is spent having mad crazy sex and recruiting straight folks. We have little time for anything else. Oh…other than lighting the black candles to …. (damn – i’ve said too much )
LOL!
Are they on a 15 min break…?
I only get audio and it suddenly went silent..?
good grief.
all this talk about restrooms… dang.
Some one should get up to the podium and ask the question, “Exactly when and where has it ever happened that someone changed their gender attire from one day to the next.” Oh please, someone do it.
shadow’s heart
im from kentucky to.
i apologize for mitch as well
ditch mitch
Snoskred, they’re trying to emulate the Mormon Tabernacle or some other mega-church. . . thus the “gargantua” proportion. . .
I used to live in Berkeley, Nan
My goodness, the paranoia about a gay person coming to work as a man one day and a woman the next. I have never actually heard of that being a problem. ANYWHERE!! AT ANY TIME!! Where are they getting this stuff? These aren’t real problems, but typical Baptist, I’m sorry to say. The minister at the Baptist school my daughter went to for awhile told the class that gay people should not be allowed to work in restaurants because they spit in the food and try to give all the straight people AIDs. Absolutely blew my mind that an educated person could be so hateful and ignorant.
I’m lol so hard. I don’t think I will EVER look at a public restroom, be it in Lowes or Martins or an airport .. the same as before. I shall forever be fearfully checking for cross-dressing men daring to invade my private bathroom space, and probably leering at me … or maybe they could be GAY men ! or even people with weenies who think they should have been born as girls and who dress in dresses… oh dear me…
/snark
The subject of S E X is sure to bring all the closeted out.
antiAnti – thanks Am in st louis – no sirens so far. this is good lol
I have a question. With all the fear, concern and anger over what “goes on” in bathrooms, when do these folks have time to tinkle?
Also I am really having some trouble with the largeness of some of these people. While I am not stick thin myself, I am also not a christian, and therefore do not feel the need to stick with the “treat your body as a temple” stuff that is in the bible.
But it seems like that might be ok anyway, because none of them seem to be treating their bodies as temples. Some of them in fact seem to be force feeding it potato chips and coca cola, and way more food than they should be eating in order to treat their body as a temple.
So given that they ignore that particular part of the bible, why should we be forced to follow along the parts of the bible that they want to force onto society?
justafarmer Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 6:25 PM
along with you Nebraska, as a Kentuckian I apologize for Mitch McConnell.
As you should LOL that man always looks like he just took a big gulp of prune juice. LOL The look never changes.
Argh!! I’ve been trying to get into the streaming link and the VERY nano-second that I connect , they take a 15 minute break.
This is because I’m gay right ??? How did they know?!?
@kerryann63: Too funny!!!
lexky Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 6:32 PM
sombody take a drink for me…im at work
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just chugged some beer for you, it was nice. =)
@Nan Says: June 17th, 2009 at 6:26 PM
Missouri tornado watch seems to be central state and around St. Louis until 2 am
Hey Josh, unless you’re a porn actor, sexual orientation has nothing to do with job performance.
lexky… drinking heavily but only because you asked…
the free virtual bar is now open.
579 kerryann63 Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 6:30 PM
who’s this joker? he really thinks he’s something else, doesn’t he? personnally I think he’s in denial.
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I think you’re right! BIG time denial!
One belt for Minnj, coming right up!!
He’s really working for that halo, isn’t he? pharisee
I swear my ears are ringing. And my hands are buzzing.
For those who need a giggle – A comment I found today:
Obviously Carrie Prejean is proof that Sarah Palin was indeed CLONED.
yeah a break. i’m going to go check out my bathroom, make sure there’s not gays in there. (cuz ya never know)
LOL samper! Good one!
What a dork!! Potty break!!
AKM, have you escaped for air yet?
No kidding. And what a charismatic doofus.
15-20 min break
I can’t hear what is going on, but I am so with you all. Wonderful…(tears…)
sombody take a drink for me…im at work
hmmmm. Borat’s alter-ego Bruno comes to mind.
How does it happen that these people still exist and worst of all have the opportunity to spew their ignorance…
THIS IS GOD!
Don’t make me come down there!
(We have a bunch of billboards with similar “witty” God-isms on major highways. They ALL make sense!)
Intermission.
Thanks Nebraska…. (((((you))))) right back.
I’m having a really hard time listening to these hateful bigoted jerks.
This “preacher” is a closeted gay. My gaydar is alive and well.
he’s another standup comic
Valley dude preacher is totally off the wall. “here’s the deal…” STFU>
oh yuck i think i just threw up in my mouth more than a little
that minister is a closet gay, I swear he is. =)
567 Lori in Los Angeles Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 6:28 PM
josh is a pastor, coulda sworn he was a used car salesman. opposed. shock.
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Here’s the deal………..you hit it……..
Oh dear, such FEAR about transgenders! Like chill out dude.
Lori – my ears are full of snark, I think it tainted my hearing when she made the joke (and, I didn’t see her face, either – it’s another window – my bad)
🙁
this guy makes me sick sick sick
Been on two minutes and heard bathrooms and “one day a woman next day a man twice”.
Do you have a store up there called Preachers’r’Us
In Aisle 3 — Certificates for Morons
who’s this joker? he really thinks he’s something else, doesn’t he? personnally I think he’s in denial.
women and african americans have never needed protection…ass
How many times does the chair woman have to explain that she has called out the names for people who were not there and had to work?
How many times do they have to explain that the “revisions” are not actually revisions but just different versions of the proposed ordinance?
Do any of these people actually listen to anything?
This guy is a bit loony.
Oh, Lori, I thought the same thing. He thinks he’s the cat’s meow, too. Ewwww!
austin, if you “explode” -do it in a BATHROOM and do it in the “proper” bathroom ya hear?
if this guy up is not a charltan, I will eat my hat – my red one.
Did he buy his preaching certificate off the internet???
Doofus the minister is up. Preaching at us. Your God is way too small!!
what an idiot this guy is…whining about 4 pm
happy preacher
ohhhhh boy!! yet another preacher! ::thud::
Inside wall is best, Anti. Please stay safe.
Shannyn, You are on hit!!! Yea. We heart you!
josh is a pastor, coulda sworn he was a used car salesman. opposed. shock.
I guess that is the same argument they used against blacks using “white” restrooms.
The acting mayor syndrome — that’s been a discussion outside
freedom of speech ?!? what about Dave !?!? The mayor got his job because……..oh motherf^*ker…….if I hear bathroom again…….I’m gonna EXPLODE
@Ripley sending you a huge hug ((((((((Ripley))))))))
Shannyn was great…she even got a laugh out of the red shirt right behind her.
Curious about the yellow buttons. Someone asked last night, but I never saw an answer.
Is it that the seats there are too small for her? That’s discrimination right there!
SHE DID!!!!!!
what do you all think would happen with these people if their child was gay? I think their head would explode.
I think they are reading from the SOS website with the bathroom thing.
nan, it was a joke re no pics to prove her heterosexuality. shannyn is a star, she appears on natl. tv and she is way on our side. : )
Red shirt military wife – isn’t happy about acting mayor trying to force her to accept homosexual lifestyle. Well! How so? Oh.. more restroom crap.
arrrgghhh – they’re mixing up crossdressing with homosexuals. . . (she’s wearing pants, is she cross dressing?)
The nasty ol’ WC again!! Geeeesh!!
jeez, another two children. Will she mention BATHROOMS???
again with the restrooms
antianti – where’s the tornado watch? (in MO here)
Right to vote. . . threats?
Then DON’T EXPOSE THEM>..I don’t want my kids exposed to this woman, can I get an ordinance against her?
antiAnti…waaay too funny, thanks!
LOL I don’t post much, but that big mama in the red shirt in the back of the room can’t seem to keep her pants up
Shannyn! This is so cool!
Let’s just say I choose to be gay. Jerry Prevo chooses to be a Baptist. Which one of us gets to claim the special right of protection under Anchorage’s Equal Rights ordnance?
And it wouldn’t be bad at all for me to say Jeez, look at that massive woman up the back, taking up half the screen with her massive ness. Or would it?
Shannyn says, “We can’t have faith-based government.”
along with you Nebraska, as a Kentuckian I apologize for Mitch McConnell.
Christian — no pictures to prove it!
Laws to protect woman — still discriminated
Color laws — still discriminated
Well done Shannyn!!
Y’know what’s funny ? I lived as a straight person until I was 36 and , coinciding with the time I discovered a spritual / God aspect to (my) life , that’s when I allowed myself to accept I was gay. I’d love the chance to chat with the woman mentioned earlier around 479 and earlier.
Shannyn ROCKS!!!!!
Go Shannyn!
Go Shannyn!! Let the gays out of the closet and put the bigots in it!!
love me some shannyn
Go ShannynBB
Shannyn!!!!!
“still going to be discrimination. . . ”
“religion as a choice. . .parents were missionaries. . .”
Heartfelt – and HONEST
Shannyn Rocks!
yes shannyn, make the bigots let all know that they are bigots, that is what the ordinance will do – expose them. love ya shannyn.
look at the pissy b^*ch behind her
yay shannyn
@Nebraska Native
Watching a tornado watch here in Missouri too. I flip over to the weather.com tab every time “bathroom” comes up. (Been hearing this bathroom cr@p since the late sixties. I thought it was crazy then. And still do.)
YAY Shannyn!!!!!!
Go Shannyn!!!!
Oh, PUH-LEEZE – apologizes for not having photo proof of her heterosexuality
Shannon Rocks!
I know Justafarmer… think you must be living close to me (close is relative to paying attn to AK politics…) To the world: The State of Nebraska apologizes for Sen. Ben Nelson.
SHANNYN BABY !!
Black man in blue cap, AF vet, his T-shirt says “Prevo supporter …. NOT!”
Claims he is homosexual, owns his own place, runs his own business. Pleads with Assembly to pay heed to other homosexual claims.
SHANNYN MOOOOOOORE NEXT
Yayyyyyy Shannyn!!! We love you!!
OMG, Shannyn is next!
Shannyn called next
shanny is up! YAAAY GO SHANNYN!
T-Shirt – Prevo Supporter –NOT!!!
Shannyn!!!!!
lol Lori
Love this guy’s t-shirt!! Prevo Supporter, NOT! Black veteran, homosexual, single parent!! High 5~~
loving the T-shirt!
Prevo Supporter NOT” T-Shirt guy—-love it! 🙂
How do you know who is being discriminated against and who is not? How can you say that gays are not being discriminated against anymore than anybody else? Have you walked in their shoes. A resounding No!! And then you come back with this bathroom thingy, where you just might encounter a male dressed as a female in the bathroom. Well, girly, know that you are safe and have nothing to worry about because they will definitely not be looking at you for any reason!
Ohh, it’s not a “Prevo” shirt! it says “Prevo …. NOT”
oh, it says “Prevo supporter NOT!” hooray
496 justafarmer Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 6:19 PM
the reddies have some sort of bathroom fetish
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and an obsession with the sex lives of other people!
Is this for real?
I mean, COME ON!
I’m peeing in my pants here!
“Prevo Supporter NOT” T-Shirt guy …. 🙂
“Prevo supporter – NOT” love his shirt
Man with beard/mustache listens to Dan Fagan. (lol) (I need a munchie)
Still quoting Dan Fagan… says everyone including gays are created by God.
Now he’s referring to a speaker last night who spoke of beating up a gay man who approached him.
Great T-shirt!!
Nebraska, I swear I didn’t send the tornadoes your way.
prob child – agreed, just the messenger here lol
frank up – earing a prevo shirt, LOL
well, if Prevo’s church ever needs to fill its coffers, they can always sign on to do commercials for Quilted Northern T.P. They seem to have a real bathroom fetish. . .
And I am sure she is fine with having to pay for two airline seats because her rear is too large to fit into one. That is not discrimination or anything. Because everyone should be able to fit into those tiny airline seats, and if not they should be penalised for not fitting into the ideals of society.
And I am sure she is also fine with the fact that people stare at her when she is eating, and she knows they are thinking “you shouldn’t be eating that”. And I am sure nobody has ever walked up to her and said “You really should look for more healthy options to eat, given your massive size”. And I am sure no kids ever point at her and say “Look mommy, that woman is FAT”.
I mean, that’s not discrimination, and that is all just perfectly fine, right??
I just want to say this: I didn’t choose. Why would I? Listening to these people? I’m so sorry for you Alaskans.
I really LIKE this guy, even though he mentions bathrooms.
the tornado watches here are looking better all the time as a distraction
canadian neighbour – she says that now, after Canada succumbed and gave “special rights” to homo, she would be accused of “hate speech” and be put in jail.
(Heck if I know. You tell me – nan)
the reddies have some sort of bathroom fetish
Big red shirt woman – anchorage since 87 – telling Assembly that they should not focus on ordinance, there are lots of other more important issues, where is news about all the alleged discrimination, what about restrooms (!!) … “search hearts from truth, don’t listen to those who choose a different lifestyle”
Wtf is all this bathroom crap? No pun intended. If they are really that scared, they can effing wear Depends. How stupid can they be? I don’t know how much I can take of this.
They are horrible, makes me sad.
Just adding my support to all that is going on here. Equality for everyone, yeah!
getting a headache…
I’m still on her comment re Canada with a puzzled look on my face of What
This woman has never felt discrimination based on the fact that she cannot stop eating ring dings and drinking full sugar pepsi, I am sure.
ah, the dreaded bathroom again. if SHE farts, we take TWO shots of the booze.
“statistics” spit it out…
oh boy……….she saw the light………wonderful……..glad you’re happy………why are you here ?? she is happy ?? good
A Lesbian who found god and now is happily married with a child.
Had never disclosed she was gay
oy! This is beyond sad. This is. . . .words fail me. (sound of puking)
oh man, that woman pushed me over the edge….She was worse than the red shirts who simply hate.
A fake lesbian. Who’d a thunk it? Wow!!
claims she’d b e put in jail for that speech in canada (after their “giving special rights”)
Middle-age woman+, lesbian, discovered that Jesus said lesbianism was sinful and she ended up changing behavior. “I eventually learned to love being a woman… have a husband and 2 kids” “The truth is homosexuality is deviant behavior and can change”
As a San Franciscan, I don’t see this type of homophobia (and fear and hate due to ignorance). Scary. Can’t watch anymore of this. I hope the ordinance passes. It’s needed.
ok, I’m back…spend some time outside decompressing listening to frogs…
oh lord, does she not realize she’s bisexual?
somebody prayed teh gay right outta her!
claims transgender and homo are deviant
a reformed deviant, ain’t that special.
austintx Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 6:10 PM
I heard it………take a shot.
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just sayin’ if I get drunk, I’m blaming it on you. =)
submitted to Jesus, learned what “He wanted of me as a woman”
homosexuals can change their behaviour, I’m proof
She wasn’t gay to start with.. doesn’t she know this?
This is sad.
this one gives up her love because Jesus told her it was wrong. she is a “cured” homosexual, well bully for her.
oh noooo… lived as lesbian and no one knew
then she “met Jesus”
oh no… don’t tell me… she went straight all of a sudden because of Jesus Christ.
Am unable to follow things as they unfold up there with you but instead am watching a documentary about Pete Seeger. He was just singing “This Land Is Your Land, This Land Is My Land” with a fresh eyed group of happy 5 year olds.
Ahhhh…. that’s the way things should be!
The elderly gentleman does not care about morality. Oh, no!! He cares about the sexual behaviors of homosexuals. (At least he is honest) As someone mentioned earlier, these people are surely fixated on other people’s sex lives.
she looks familiar – did she already testify? or is it just the hair
Where does it say in the Bible that you can’t wear a dog collar?
Red shirt lady. 25+ year resident. Believes in bible but we “don’t want THEM telling us what to do.” “You know it’s wrong in your heart.” (talked about leashes and collars…hmmmmm)
Don’t want THEM telling us.
Quit going to 4th of July because kids ask questions, as there is some on a leash.
I need some of those drugs she’s on!!
WHO had a collar and a leash on a parade float???? good grief!`
cannot go to 4th of july anymore because children ask questions, god forbid we should educate them
The fart???? DONE!
I heard it………take a shot.
There are WAY too many red wearers.
the council needs to tell them not to bring up the bible again.
447 Greytdog Δ Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 6:07 PM
Any of the red shirts sporting stigmata yet?
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lol
I don’t think fundies spout blood.
Dear Lord Almighty, please send a big old poop bag to clean up this mess your followers have left. . . amen
claims that “some behaviors are acceptable, some are unacceptable” – won’t say “why”
Landlord says he discriminates against tenants who are disruptive. He has had people move out in one case because their neighbors were homosexual. Claims ‘teh gay’ is not normal behavior. “if a group of people is set aside as a special group, you have to prove you are not against them” .. he discriminates against behavior that is not acceptable.
this guy sez he discriminates against “behavior”
but ‘what about this or that behavior (getting married)
they guy sez “behavior that is acceptable” (non-answer)
I own a duplex. Would it be wrong if I won’t rent to a straight couple? I WISH I could find a nice gay couple.
Melvin, the woman, not to be confused as a man, thinks that every citizen already receives protection (meaning equal rights). She definitely has on the blinders! And you Melvin, the woman, not to be confused with a man, are a big fat hypocrite!!
Any of the red shirts sporting stigmata yet?
being a rental agent myself? this guy’s full of sh*t. i have 120 apartments down here in the bible belt and my best tenants are gay. they are my most respectful tenants, they mind their own business and are some of the nicest guys i’ve met since i’ve moved down here.
I’m sure her friends and family call her MEL
oh, can’t discriminate against diabled – physical or mental – brings up wheelchairs
Does anyone know what council person said that they received threats?
438 the problem child Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 6:04 PM
Aw, Melvin, are you afraid to wear pants?
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LOL poor Melvin!
It is amazing how the red shirts are trying to so how open they are “I am not intolerant” “I have hired gay people” then rip the hell out of the gay community
What rude little kids these folks have – peeking into occupied bathroom stalls! perverts!
this guy had people move out of his apartment because their neighbors were gay. He’s wearing blue, the jerk.
He’s a bigot.
[chairwoman recalling names who were not present before, this is their last chance]
ok Melvin ? woman in big red shirt, christian female, male gendered name. married for 30 years even with male name. in opposition to ordinance… talks about choosing sexual practices. Ordinance already provides sufficient protection. Refers to threat against Assembly member but says if you are threatened with being voted out, you deserve it.
God Calling!!! LOL (phone rang)
she’s upset cuz one of the people on this board (council? whateer) actually went and told the newspaper they’d gotten threats. (huh?)
About the chick with the guys name….huh?
melvin is a female and so proud of it. she is discriminated against because of her first name. so change it, jeesh. says all citizens already receive protection from discrimination.
Who received threats?
huh?
I am not intolerant (which means that I am) I have many gay friends (which means that I don’t)
wow she has a man’s name? she’s reaching
Melvin? Christian female with male gender name. Married. Never was confused on her gender. Been perceived as male.
CHOOCH alert!!
Married to same man for over 34 years — That’s not my fault!!!
OH MY GOD! You gotta be kidding me!
I’m walking away from this woman….
good point marnie.
tony knowles being called again. but last 10 names, no one is there.
Why do these Holier-Than-Everyone-Else-People spend so much time thinking about other people have sex?
The perverts are them they just are in such denial they can’t see sicko sex pervert when they see one in the mirror.
Wonder what they discussin front of their children?
Kelly Walters?/ Doesn’t he belong to Shannyn???? I wanna hear him!
I’m a 65 year old female have done a lot a traveling by auto, stopped at a lot of rest rooms: I never saw any males, or cross genders in the rest rooms!!!!!! How are all of these kids seeing them?
Are they checking id’s to make sure people are who they say they are? Just sayin
Sid, you may be doing more damage to your children who you so adamantly say you want to protect by allowing them to be homophobic and frighten of anybody that is different.
Sid Atwood. Never lived under or saw any prejudice. Won’t use Bible cuz it’s been misused plenty already. Testifies that gay people are no threat. “Laws are one thing, morality is another.” One of his sons and one of his daughters is gay. But you wouldn’t have known it.
good point to separate “deviants” from Gays – 2 different issues. deviants in any group. right on.
Not going to use Bible — it’s been misused already.
7 kids
Never seen prejudice
Two of his sons lived in house with person they did not know was gay. This father said he did. He wasn’t a threat. At bedside when he died.
Calm speaking man.
I like this man. Sincere.
says his gay neighbor was no threat. Deviants exist everywhere. People are breaking laws everywhere.
2 of his kids are gay.!!! I knew it.
never experienced – never SAW prejudice… was foreign
Jesus was alone – and taught “love thy neighbor” – and that’s all he’s gonna say from the bible as it’s already been “misused too much” (wow)
I think the lady’s name is Faith. Finally, a voice of reason and sanity. I applaud you and your rationale for showing that civil rights taken from anybody is wrong.
didn’t we have a man with seven kids last night?
bible is mis-used plenty already – oh so true
Why did that little kid just walk by ??
390 Nan Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 5:52 PM
this is me asking a question:
What is so damned “special” about wanting to have the same rights guaranteed to ALL citizens, for crying out loud?!
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Exactly!
And, how is granting equal rights to one group, taking iaway from oters?
Red shirt youngish man, fearing his 9 yr old daughter being scarred for life seeing a transgender in “all his glory” in a restroom– how do you take that back? [Good grief]
More restroom, “MAN IN THE BATHROOM — screech screech”
[Screaming in fear? Why would they fear unless you taught them to fear???]
This one plans on protecting kid from the restroom from hell (remember yesterday?)
Why are they letting the restroom stories continue.
How about special rights for Foot Fetishists. Make Sarah share her “naughty monkey” shoes. ROFL!!
Ripley, Larry Craig is in the bathroom
he’s talking about Larry craig
he is repeating the bathroom story – little girl afraid, man in bathroom – hahaha, liars – repeating the same story as if it happened to them.
Father of 7 – Ord is not equal rights it’s special rights.
Taking rights away from individuals.
Equal rights to those with foot fetishes?? Huh
Mommy – there’s a man in the bathroom. (Didn’t get their new talking points)
Protect my children at all costs. (I can imagine)
“daughter runs out of public restroom screaming…..”
give me a freaking break already….
justafarmer – thanks… anybody bring peanuts?
They want their gender? I kind of was born with mine.
why are these men so worried about bathrooms? I don’t get it. It’s not a “special right”. Why don’t they clarify the reason for the ordinance again? Why don’t they take control?
restroom…….all his glory………restroom again………WTF !!
Nan – I saved that South Pacific song you posted – had never heard it before – but it’s soooooooooooo dang true! When was it written? Late 40’s??? Amazing.
what do these people have with restrooms?????
The Jewish Woman spoke with so much sincerity and now the idiot redshirt is talking about bathroom incidents, how can he even talk like that. He could say the very same thing about Jewish people, and he’d be sued. Idiot idiot man, and it’s a straight man in the bathroom.
Foot Fetishes? Oh my God. He said restroom.
Ugh, I don’t know how you all can be watching this! Just reading the comments paraphrasing these holier-than-thou-yet-filled-with-hate red shirts is making me sick to my stomach and mad as hell. It’s funny, I live in a state with full rights, including marriage, for all, and our society has not crumbled. The “gay mafia” hasn’t taken over. We don’t have an AIDS epidemic (well, not any worse than any other state). God has not smote us down. We are doing fine, thank you very much.
However, I am there in solidarity in spirit.
this is me asking a question:
What is so damned “special” about wanting to have the same rights guaranteed to ALL citizens, for crying out loud?!
special rights for foot fetishes! OK.
oh dang….the restroom…….
handing around the Scotch!!!!!
Woman compares holocaust to smear campaign against gays. Witnessed transgender-bashing. Asks Assembly not to continue to sanction this intolerance. Her statement is good because she repeats what she wishes… not to fall prey to the pressure.
special rights?
Greytdog, they would waterboard you with holy water
good job.
THAT was great!
from South Pacific
“They’ve got to be taught
to hate, and fear…
they’ve got to be carefully taught…”
She knows that the opposition is intimidating and frightening.
Asks for Separation of Church and State!!! YAYYY
oooh, she’s talking the talk!
I think I’d rather be waterboarded than listen to another fundamentalist. . .
lol, trish! I thought the same thing!
omigod, the inanity the inanity that spews forth. . . when are they gonna part this red sea?
oh wow. Girl announces she’s a Jew. references holocaust.
shows similiarities (boycott jewish bidness, etc)
Larry Hall, Anchorage. He tried to get away from all this crap by moving to Anchorage but everyone moved up here! His employees must get haircuts. He refuses to keep someone on for not getting a haircut. If he’d hired a transexual how far would he have gotten in his business. Duh.
what – women can’t work on cars? Dang! I’ll have to tell hubby (I’m the one that did that work).
wtf! this guy reminds me of that song about “signs”.
“so I took off my hat, and said imagine that! me working for you!”
LOL
Here is an African American, (I am African American), who has not a clue. He is definitely old enough to know how it feels to be discriminated against, but how soon we forget. Now he feels entitled to deny others the same rights we fought so hard for. OOh,, I cannot stand it! He has become a sheep and follower of stupidity and bigotry. They come in all colors. So sad!!
he was scared
LOL, “if that woulda been a homosexual…” what a waste of time…
$20 and a haircut AGAIN….gaaaaaaaaa
Hair ?? Isn’t that a smash Broadway play ??
ooooh…the “F word”…
what the hell is this guy talking about?
Just checked in and scanned the first 7 pages of comments. You are all amazingly articulate (and often hilarious). The meeting sounds like a pretty scary place. Glad I’m getting it from the proper perspective.
why is he talking about saving a bum and giving him a haircut?
look at that redshirt behind this speaker. Is that body language just screaming???
like a lot of people that moved here to get away from “this crap”…
“all of a sudden, the lower 48 moves up here and brings all that crap up here”.
355justafarmer Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 5:43 PM
where did Prevo find these people? Are there that many rocks to look under?
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wellll, Alaska does have a lot of volcanic rock. . . just sayin’
as for plumbing, I’m still trying to figure out last night’s testimony about urinals in the lady’s room.
he’s a pastor in a church – has gay/les – if they can stand my sermon, I can stand their sitting.
I wanna like him, dangit
guess he never heard of Matthew Shepherd
Black pastor. Love does not mean agreement. Love means in spite of. He never saw a homosexual baby… you can’t excuse someone for being born that way who is a murder … same for homosexuals. He’s another black man who rejects the homosexual issue because he calls it a behavior whereas his personal struggle was because he was born that way (race).
where did Prevo find these people? Are there that many rocks to look under?
wow, and he calls himself a preacher? a man of God?
311 akmuckraker Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 5:34 PM
90% of pedophiles are straight. Just sayin’.
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yeah but these Fundies are 100% evil
at the hospital, he only saw “girls” and “boys”
cranky that someone might compare his color to “homo”… you haven’t been hung, dragged thru the streets – fight for your rights
don’t say you’re equal cuz of fighting for rights… you ai’nt my equal
god hates sin. I love homo, don’t agree (love as in god-love I think)
342 lexky Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 5:42 PM
looked at the plumbing…perv
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definitely! nasty perv preacher!
Plumbing alone doesn’t = sexual orientation. Equating with race is not legitimate? You haven’t been hanged? (yes they have). Just ignorant.
He is not going to beat them down. What the hell has he been doing?
Bucfan, someone earlier tonight compared it to serial killers and despotic dictators.
Billy, Billy, Billy: Big Government taking over. Your are definitely SP in pants. And yes homelessness is a serious problem but so is discrimination and bigotry.
This guy is full of crap? They haven’t been hung? what?
he never saw a homosexual baby – logic is sooooo far off I do not know ho to begin. Has he ever seen a HETEROSEXUAL baby? How would one know?
the stooopid is color blind sir.
Did they fly in some of these whackos from the Palin protest gig outside Letterman’s studio??
Wait!!….there were only 15 whackos at that protest. Hahaha….(Yeah, I know you already know but I’m still immoderately amused by that number.)
Geez….Everyone that voted for Palin showed up in red shirts. No private voting booths needed for these characters.
Hahahaha….15!
He looked at their plumbing? Arrest him. He is a pervert
looked at the plumbing…perv
This preacher needs to “go to his room.”
OMG, he is comparing homosexuality to murderers and drug addicts?
I’m eating an entire bowl of Death By Chocolate…..Take me away.
oh my! “go to your room…”
hi everybody. im late,, busy night at work
That is the book that Scarah wanted out of the library? I wonder.
Awwww! AIDS as the “Gay Plague” Wondered when that would come up!
ARRGGGHHHHH
thank you, I feel much better now. (not)
Gah, another red shirt. Born ‘n raised in this town, ashamed of assembly, poorly written ordinance. Attempt to protect one small class of people at the expense of everyone else, let there be a vote by the electorate. Wasting time, money, but you deal with this!? Budget is all messed up. Legacies will be determined by this vote. Ignore squeaky wheel because the majority won’t accept this.
storybook to daughter – uncle in story dying – of AIDS – how does he explain that cesspool?
tell the 5 year old that AIDS happens, like cancer to straight people too – such ignorance, sigh
That guy was scary.
Contaminating her with Hate and BS– Hello?
Jack left.
Lori, he started out by saying, “This is my first time.” LOL
cesspool life?
wow! I just realised, my Scotch tumbler is plaid sooooo….
it wears a skirt!
Trish — You’re right – Joe the Plumber moved to AK!!!
Legacies are going to be determined by this vote?
there is NOT enough Scotch…
311 akmuckraker Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 5:34 PM
90% of pedophiles are straight. Just sayin’.
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I’m sure Dr.CBJ would agree. Just sayin’.
Dang – she sure could be helpful in addressing some of the concerns here tonite.
billy gold, red shirt, defensive posture – he is so disappointed in this poorly-written ordinance. will protect one small class of people by taking away rights of others. He just said “back door” LOL
Alaska — Liberal Court System?? Did I miss something
OMG, this guy reminds me of Joe the (not) Plumber!
Some of the guys who speak are really hiding their own urges. They are trying like mad to deny … anyway, next person:
Guy says he wants ordinance 64 to pass… speaks to legitimacy of transgender people, calling on science to explain.
Califpat, he will beat it out of them with his rod and his staff. LIke it says in the bible somewhere, if you look hard enough, and skew it to your point of view
Ding, Ding. Cupie Doll Winner — He said Washrooms!!
Yaknow, funny thing. I was abused by a male.. That didn’t make me straight.
If you actually grew up on the streets then alternative lifestyles would not frighten you. What is going to happen if one of your precious children tell you that he/she is gay?
thanks bucfan re Diane Benson – just scrolled back to catch up and saw your comment.
90% of pedophiles are straight. Just sayin’.
OK – fine …..never mind
Abuse is wrong under all circumstances, and homosexuals are not the only ones who have done it. that’s a whole different issue which has nothing to do with the ordinance.
Goawd – its like watching a train wreck.. I have to leave, but I can’t stop watching
I hope that when they make the final decision, they take in to account the RESIDENTS testimony, not the bussed in crazies. It’s their right to speak, but I hope the “deciders” are onto their act.
Man oh man… how can people even sit there… bless you all who are actually in that room.
he grew up on the streets, saw the worst (never apparently anything else). Believes that’s all there is
Pedophiles are not necessarily homosexual, you dum***
ouch.
seems to feel that one male ego to a relationship is why “they” have hundreds of relationships (quoting, can’t help it)
“scientifical” lol
Scientifical?
“making it ok to victimize kids”? HOW would it make that ok? This man makes no sense
Mr. Overcame his biases, You lie through your teeth! You say others have religious biases. Put the spin on it it. If you overcame your biases, you would think that it was fair to pass this ordinance. You have not overcome!!!
Oh S^*T – he is namin’ names…….sorry you had a couple of bad times………..
thinks the ordinance makes it ok to victimize kids. i did not see that part in the ordinance. ummmmmm
Sleezoid!! used the “Q” word. Claims he was victimized by “queers”.
this is a true redshirt – he forgot to take off his blue jacket – talks about people “playing” with young men in the bar. refers to Gay people as “queers” this guy is so homophobic, frightening.
“ALL these homosexuals sit around and say they are victims.”. This guy is a total chooch.
OOOOhh,, I’m sanitized. 🙂 I feel so clean…
Did he just say “queers?” Oh god, I can’t listen
LOL legitiminize!!!
Lori in LA, Diane Benson is a native Alaskan, an activist and has run for Congress twice, 2006 against Don Young, and losing in the primaries in 2008. Great person. Her son lost both legs in Iraq after his tour was extended by stop/loss.
oh dear, big bad 53 red shirt guy, calling gays “queers” and bad-talking them
isn’t this guy in one of the pictures with Mrs Alaska?
Diane Benson is a flat out BAD ASS!!! Why is that woman not the Governor?!!!!
oboy.
he was not exactly ‘FOR” in the ordinances present state – but he seems open to a way – he says he does not have THE solution.
265 CO almost native Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 5:21 PM
@austintx:
Livestream does not work- so I’ll just drink anyway.
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Got sound ?? If so , listen for the “fart”.
Young red shirt person. Admits to bias against gays and lesbians. Says he overcame it. Says he had disagreements with wife but worked through it … without having it made into law. More bible, god talk. Thinks Assembly needs to assure religious that they won’t be harmed. Urges more time before voting.
*yaaaawwwwwwnnnnn*
he said his shirt as half blue, but looks all red to me.
did overcome his bias (sorta?) wasn’t due to legislation, but knowlege – knowing others.
sorry I’m late I have a Job.
red & blue shirt (?) grew up around discrimination against gay/les –
applause for this lady and they did not even ask the people clapping to stop – and they ALAYS ask them to stop – that is how good she was.
Here is a man with half blue shirt and half red shirt. should be interesting.
I like Diane. Take it to them Diane and live right out loud about this abomination. In the name of humanity. Double fist bumps for you. Yea!
[i’m drinking tonight .. forgive if my reports get flubbered later on!]
Woman with blue round button on dark jacket… talking about historical discrimination in Alaska against natives. She’s native. Has suffered abuse and prejudice and even attacks. Claims those opposed are trying to brutalize LGBT and de-humanize them. GOOD speech.
[You know, if the law at least states that discrimination is wrong, it will take a while but eventually the people will bend to that.]
Yay!! Woman comparing this legislation to that for equal rights for native Americans. A five three times!!!!
starts with labelling others as “less or dirty or etc”
same justification was used to segragate and marginalize another group – this is about thinking one group is superior to another. she is good.
YES! I love this woman. DOn’t tell my wife though
Some of his best friends are blah blah blah and all that jazz. He is so lying!! He is a bigot who feels he is only entitled to rights. Sheesh!
Ripley, I’m sending a six pack your way; found a second one in the outside frig. At this rate, I may have to make a beer run…
Diane Benson rocks!
1945 – civil rights. big fuss at the time, groundless.
Fear Feeds Hate. has experienced discrim, was target (as young native woman)
knows the face of hate.
” Fear Feeds Hate”
There ya go!
Go Diane, its your birthday!
Yeah Diane – We love ya 🙂
Yes, CO, very good idea. I think I’ll start back up.
Go Diane Benson!!!
@austintx:
Livestream does not work- so I’ll just drink anyway.
Bruce Clark, Eagle River, against ord. Burden of proof paradox: one of his employees stole from his office, police didn’t do anything about it. Next thing happened, he was charged with discrimination against her… He was exonerated finally, but found out his employee abused ERC in previous cases. So, adding a new class opens door to further abuse.
He admits there was no evidence. He says he has ethnic relatives and gay relatives. He would not extend rights any further.
256 Ripley in CT Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 5:18 PM
please oh please CO almost native. Gimme about 7
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If you were here , I’d hook your spunky self up to a Margarita I.V. !!
giving family tree to show he’s not bigoted? but not extend right to gay/les
ALRIGHT, his time is up…. DING!!
@austintx:
Dang. My livestream does not work, so you’ll have to let me know. Although, I’ve started already, out of self preservation. Maybe they would sound quite so stupid if…never mind, of course they will. sigh.
lol, Lori!
he had to prove HIS innocence, (fussing because of … ?) Oh, abuse of equal rights commish – foresees the same happening with this
justa farmer where is a TOMATO when I need one?
please oh please CO almost native. Gimme about 7
sorry ripley. stay. fun to watch bigots make absolut FOOLS of themselves. most have arrived from the 17th Century. not all of the anti people are ignorant, but enough are to make me gobsmacked.
where’s a tornado when I need one???
criminal case, she’d have been “innocent until proven guilty” lawyer wrote her for repayment in payments – ggal sued him for discrimination
@Ripley:
Want a Fat Tire?
235 CO almost native Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 5:15 PM
I’ll be back- I need a Fat Tire–maybe a six pack– what was austintx drinking game?
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When you hear the “fart”.
Oh wait.. Jane was a lesbian. right? So lesbians steal now?
I will bet Jane was gay, right?
insurance agent – an employee stole from his office, cops didn’t worry much, only 2K
Bruce Clark of eagle river, against. this is anchorage. go back to the river.
Canadian Neighbor:
Heh heh…very funny.
why is eagle river there, again?
You personally do not have to have one of each sex these days!!
Is that Jack Nicholson sitting just to the left ??
Medically risky? I’m damn healthy. AIDS is universal. Where did this guy get his statistics? These people make themselves look stupid.
“We” are not looking to take over society. Jesus.
RECRUITMENT!!?? Ugh, I may not be able to stay. I just tuned in.
Gah, next up is Randy Ballsworth? Did I hear that right? He’s opposed. Upset about veterans being in and then out. Special rights … are gonna take away OUR rights! (poor randy) Lawyers gonna have a field day. ( Poor Randy gonna have to pay out the nose to fight lawsuits.) We do discriminate against smokers and pets. Besides gays are health risks. Chipping away at conventional family. Just a farm boy. Gay community grows by recruitment!!!
Guess he hasn’t read about Octomom!!!
Jus’ an ol’ farm boy, but ya gotta have one of each sex or you’re outa bidness
OMG, it’s hard for me to believe the red shirts would actually voice their bigotry in public.
sorry for hogging the bottle Gramian….here ya go…
I’ll be back- I need a Fat Tire–maybe a six pack– what was austintx drinking game?
health care is 17% more than for hetero (no idea if true or not)
“our rights taken away” – wait until the court cases. ACLU lawyers will have field day
I can’t see what is happening. Are they still limiting people to 3 minutes? Seems like it is moving faster than last night. Also, sounds like there are more nutjobs than rational people.
Mr. Obnoxious; “emasculate, disconnected female from maternal role, diminished male, fatherless children, double talk, blah, blah, blah. STFU.
No documented discrimination? I hope someone taped the last two days…
the buzz words this evening:
poorly conceived ordinance
new guy – why are we here? We’re tolerant city, but don’t want things shoved down our throats
Next up! Bob is starting snarky. He’s a business owner. Says it only takes one lawsuit to put him out of business. He can’t afford this. Ordinance is so poorly written that lawyers will have a heyday! He sounds like GHWBush, btw.
no documented discrimination here in town (ha)
This guy is creepy……
fussing about the word “perceived” re discrimination
objectionable nature? YOW!
oy, what a git
Wow… That guy was quite “invidious!”
LOL
I have never seen such an unhappy, hateful human as that last guy.
Will Free doesn’t need a red shirt. His apoplectic complexion is red enough.
Invidious: calculated to create ill will, give offense; hateful; offensively or unfairly discriminating
Gee. This fellow goes by different names and now wants a description of the word “invidious.” He is saying “shame on you” to the Assembly. Then he goes on to inveigle against the usurpation of the righteous male role … he’s reading off something way too fast, but it’s clear he’s pissed. And he’s talking too closely to the mic making his words all fuzzy. Hehe. Cost. Shame on the Assembly again!
Get out the hook and pull him off stage.
what a pig – he looks like he may have a heart attack – he is ranting, talks of “females OBLIGATION to be with male” role. no he is onto 400 million of their oil money for anomination?? he is gonna stroke out methinks.
huh? 400 million of our money – (shouting)
Ouch, this guy is teh psycho.. william free, never vote for him!
Justafarmer, where the heck is that bottle!!
morally corrupt officials twisting education into – something nasty
invidious: of an unpleasant or objectionable nature : obnoxious
Like him.
argumentative prick………..move along you miserable wretch
whoo hoo… he’s on a roll now!
scary
This guy has issues! I don’t understand – except he is way against – and with attitude on steroids
Professional gadfly up now. “jailhouse lawyer” . Make this turkey sit down!! ” Gender bending”” opponent.
Just when I think there are thoughtful, rational speakers, the nuts and fruits return…
LOL regarding this guy using a fake name “Will Free” and they all know him under his real name. ok, fight over name over. now wants to know what “invidious” means. I am not sure myself. his time is running and he is outraged that the clock is running, SHAME ON YOU DAMN WELL SHAME he said. rude, he should be escorted out.
2 crackpots in a row…
Show some ID jackass
all right, who’s this joker arguing about what his name is?
“Mr Kendall” claims to be “Will Free” HUH?
Red-bearded big guy. Digging at Temporary Mayor. Says ordinance is one size fits all, and says that it isn’t right yet. Makes reference to 1984… all animals are equal but some more equal than others, do police even investigate? Shotgun blast to kill a fly, no need to rush.
Poor guy, he doesn’t realize this issue has been worked with for at least a quarter of a century.
He’s chastising Assembly.
Wonder what he’s smoking? This speaker is aging hippie who killed too many brain cells. Brought up rape! Sez that is more important
using military is “shameful” shame on you
jeremia says tony knowles is NOT here. says cost of ordinance not known. this is a one-size fits all ordinance and he does not think it will work. saying we are creating another special-protected class. more concerned with r a p e.
says this is a RUSH, why? I have seen this rush theme b4 – but this has been brought up for over 4 decades I believe.
Doesn’t Knowles have the chutzpah to speak for himself?
calls it shotgun blast to get a (possibly imaginary) fly
“more special, protected classes” – like bike helmet law, a feel-good law
This guy is speaking for Knowles and is against the ordinance? WTF?
Thanks Sharon for the vote. It seems that Alaska is number one in a lot of negative areas. Thanks for the concern and looking for ways to coming up with some resolutions to some very serious problems.
funny guy. talking diversity in businesses and bidness practice. “one size fits all” ordinance – 3 rewrites, ain’t gettin’ it together yet.
a “mensch” (good human)
Political discrimination? Yeah, you betcha!! This lady is pro ordinance and is mentioning domestic violence, drinking, suicide and this is needed to raise the level of social discourse to solve these problems.
yes, this is Representative Cissna.
Sharon is speaking. Knows there is discrimination of many kinds, including political. Very strong supporter of ordinance with injunction against discrimination and fear. She’s sad that Alaska is #1 in so many bad things: drinking, violence, suicide, etc.
good on this lady for mentioning domestic violence and other crime, but why can’t we address that crisis at same time working on this issue.
which is Sharon Cissna? This lady?
47 y/o is concerned about age discmination? I think she makes a good point for not discriminating “sexual Orientation”
speaks about the ever increasing sense of fear that’s abounding
Lady in the pink, nobody is asking for “special rights”, just human rights to be protected like yours.
strong supporter, even if it may need work on wording
tony knowes is there! he ran against GINO I believe (split the vote?)
Sharon Cissna is a (D) Representative.
“Shouldn’t we all be worried about *all* of our rights?” (and this is justification for being against it? NUTS!)
Navy wife, 47 worried about more competition from gays in job market. God forbid she should lose a job opportunity to a gay person!!
Nora Fuller, reddish shirt? Normally wouldn’t speak, feels her rights are now at risk. She was the one, due to husband in military, who had to go get jobs everytime they moved. She’s 47. She knows she can’t stack up against someone younger. If ordinance passes, she may have to go up against a younger person, a man, someone of a different race even, but also someone who is a gay. She’s afraid her rights will be diminished.
HER rights would be affected by this ordinance (HUH?)
oh, employer would try to avoid lawsuit and hire the “problematic person”
the young lady was very good
(loved the previous young woman – awesome points)
*This* one… “stability isn’t there for us” – employers cannot discriminate due to age – but she’d have to SHINE to get a job against someone 10 yrs younger
feels her thots are at risk. hubby in navy 22 yrs. she had to change jobs alla time
Young lady saying she almost didn’t testify since rumor had it the red shirts would extend testimony until Dan Sullivan took office and could veto. Good point made — that those who have already testified prove discrimination exists, since their speaking endangered the jobs of many. She’s definitely for.
InJuneau – re Arctic Cat – I wonder if the IRS will say “sure, ok” sheesh
Very articulate young woman. Brought up the Dan Sullivan issue. “” The elephant in the living room” has been outed!!
Thanks for the explanation, BucFan. Maybe one too many Prevo’s Perverts member will “testify” and the Assembly will vote for because they are totally ticked off?
she’d heard the redshirts were trying to drag it out till sullivan took office… nearly gave up trying to testify then.
That lady is a keeper who brought facts and statistics that no one chooses their sexual orientation. Yeah! Fist Bumps!!!!!
OMG, she is a scientist, the brown shirts, I mean red shirts head are going to explode.
Homosexuality studies on nature versus nurture in twins. Genes significant, but environment plays a role too. Good presentation. Requested copy of info and got applause.
Eagle River is part of the Municipality of Anchorage which includes Anchorage, Girdwood, Eagle River and Chugiak. They all vote in our elections.
New speaker, Chris, slender lady with silvering hair. Says both genes and environment causes ‘teh gay.’ Talking about identical twins and studies… identical twins were homosexual 66% of the time. Conclusion: genes play significant role in homosexuality. Discrimination against gays is same as racial discrimination. She urges for 64.
quite correct, AKM!
facts. yes.
aha! discrimination against gay is same as racial, or any other. wishes discrim was a relic of our past
Gotta go… back laterz. Document the atrocities.
How does he know he doesn’t already have a gay employee???
she needs to summarize, gonna run outa time.
I see other side than AKM — he didn’t just come into the room and spew away as to business losses.
That dentist & his survey, …. that HAS to be some kind of ethical violation.
professor sez – is determined both by genes and by environment
Jason, your patients who said they would not return to your practice because you had a gay employee are lying. If their teeth/tooth were pounding with pain, they would not care what a person’s sexual preference was, they would be there to stop the pain.
wow. you all have a strange set of folks living there.
As much as he’s red side, depending on what the wording he used on the survey, which unfortunately we don’t know, I would give him credit for doing a survey so he has in effect education himself as to his business.
Creepy dentist asking his patients via written survey what they would do with openly gay dental assistant. They said they’d never come back. What if he asked about a black employee and got that answer?
1 response – doesn’t want a gay person’s fingers in my mouth
another: impinges on my own “rights”
difficult to say “wouldn’t return” however…
Jason, dentist, Eagle River. Why is he testifying in Anchorage? Has gay relative he loves dearly. Had a gay dental assistant, and gay patients. He devised a survey to his patients .. one week long, one question, to heads of household: How would an openly gay employee affect your patronage? 1) No effect 2) I would not return 3) other …. 28 responses said would NOT return. 15 no effect, 13 “other”. “If Half of my patients would not visit me if I had gay employee, that would be financially devastating to me”
Ok sir, you live in a very backward place. I truly feel sorry for you.
this is just down right sad that people are so biased as this man’s patients are.
Thanks mucho, mudpups- my computer does not want to let me livestream–perhaps it is smarter than me 🙂
“religion is inborn”? I don’t think so…what a mor-rone. aargh.
It says that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. IF I dont’ want to hire or rent to a Christian I am not limiting their ability to practice their religion. And I am not the government in the first place. And this guy has a lot of homophobes as patients
arrrggghhh. gotta go. my soul needs to go throw up after listening to these people
half answered they’d never return – would impact his practice and income
sorry, is suppertime here…have to take a break for cooking…
No wonder dentists have a high suicide rate…
he polled his patients??? the question: how would an openly gay employee affect your patronage
range from who cares to never return
It says that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. IF I dont’ want to hire or rent to a Christian I am not limiting their ability to practice their religion. And I am not the government in the first place.
dentist, retired military (officer). has gay relatives “who he loves dearly” – had a proficient assistant – patients, even so, is against
Gutierrez and Coffey are asking very deep questions. These are not stupid people.
*** waving to AKM from Nebraska*** Hi to Gryphen and Shannyn!!!
i love this debate even though i don’t agree with the speaker.
i also imagine that most redshirts have no idea what was just said.
Gutierrez is also challenging the green shirt. Green shirt only thinks law should apply to things beyond our control like sex or race. Coffey is questioning too… saying behavior or not is not relevant. Nice assembly members, Anchorage.
oh… now we’re “parsing” (oy)
Is the guy with the glasses driving up the middle or is he against the ordinance? He is quite eloquent but does not state his position clearly.
In need of a break, go here to listen to Hope Writ Large
http://www.playingforchange.com/episodes/9/Change_Is_Gonna_Come
oh geez – he looks like “Daniel of Stargate – and about as “educated” (pompous)
How about removing religion?”
Selkregg (sp) is caalling him on it – sez if relig is inborn, then why is gay not also inborn (no gene for either)
TBNTJudy – Come back !! the wine helps to listen to the whine.
at this rate 550 people will go until Sunday afternoon
Selkregg ROCKS!!! She did a GOTCHA on brianiac.
ennealogic, YOU GO GIRL. I need to take a break, and you must fight the good fight as our journalist commentator – justafarmer, you also, too, you betcha.
Selkregg seems on target. Kudos to whoever voted her in.
and his hair was sort of trendy…
Who is this woman???
Well he sure does have his speech down……..
here is an opponent in a green shirt. we have anti-discrimination laws he says.
it is a right to judge people on basis of their actions he says. calls it “tyranical” – he says “religion is not a choice” either – me not buying that, but I give him a high grade for creativity (at least he is not bible thumping or obsessing on bathrooms)
High-sounding BS is still BS!!
BTW tonight gloves are off, my comments are not going to hold back. When people are dicks I’m gonna call em on it. I’ve heard way too much of this trash talk against gays. The people who are doing it do not deserve any benefit of any doubt.
Ray Sutton? opposes. We have laws already. We are judging people based on their actions here, and this is our right, since ‘teh gay’ is a behavior. He says religion is not a choice, it is inborn because people are in search of religion when they are born. Uh…
Screw you, green shirt.
I bow to the great Mudpups! I cannot take this. I lasted this long listening to these people, and I feel as if I have been waterboarded. I am giving up, and I am going to find a bottle of wine. May the force be with you, Mudpups!
Claims homosexuality is an action, not an accident. #64 is “Tyrannical”.
this one has been a debater
So are all the Antis going first? “sex and race” – does the bonehead mean gender? I choose the 10K race, howz about that?
wow, this one comes out saying he’s “implacable opponent” of ordinance
justafarmer – exactly.
Madam Chair is tough. I like that.
I like the chairwoman. She is very cool!! She is gonna keep control.
More public fellatio photos please! LOL 🙂
Guy in suit quoting Romans. Want to know how many would still be alive if they were not gay. How many would still be alive Sir if there were not hate crimes because of discriminations?!!
OK…………fabric of morality……..kiss my ass buddy…….cram down my throat……..hear no more ?? no , asswipe
AKM, this guy is a complete eejit
LOL at enneologic and the fiber.
Shut up! Your time is up! DOn’t let him continue!
jeez, can any of these people speak from the heart? They all need notes and they can’t even read well…
here come Leviticus!! but he will also agree to cite the new testament, says homosexuals will not enter gates of Heaven. must follow instructions of bible.
breaking the threads of morality he says. he is in a suit, not a red shirt. will he be punished for not wearing what he is supposed to?
Suffer ye not a witch to live . . . (leviticus). break out the stakes and kindling, children!
Public schools are not fit for children? This guy is angry.
Moral fiber. Does it keep ya from getting constipated? I don’t think so.
ickkkkky ickkkkkkky….
getting the Scotch…
This guy is making my head hurt!
Anchorage white guy hassling the chairwoman about how many more people will be able to speak. You know, the red shirts’ message is redundant. This guy says homosexuality (quoting bible) is despicable and sinful etc. I mean, dude, we’ve heard this before!
Speaker griping that no more new names can be added. Claiming the Blue peeps are causing confrontation outside. Umpteen bible quotes…yadda, yadda, yadda!
SLOW DOWN – first rule of speechifying. . . he’s progressing way too fast through his verbiage. Ohhhh he’s a nasty piece of work he is.
He is quoting Leviticus? How about selling your daughter into slavery?
public schools are no good for kids anymore – leviticus, etc
He was heartfelt, even tho I didn’t agree with him. Wasn’t gonna say a thing about him or his testimony other than “thank you for you service,” and I really do mean that.
wow AKM re those photos – were they sticky when he handed them to the assembly?
there is at least 3 more days of testimony
tonite, she will not make the list longer – gee, ya think?
Not talking about his speech problem – talking about his soul problem
oh, bless his heart – red shirt, feels we all have thesee rights, and he’d fight and die for each of us to have ’em. Against (heartfelt, not hateful)
Well ain’t Roland speshal?
I’m not gonna say anything about this VietNam vet with a speech prob.
quoting Dalai Lhama to a bunch of Fundamentalists just makes the Fundies sure that paganism is all around us (run here come da witches); I like this guy tho. He makes sense.
up next, Roland from the Baptist Church – he is a Veteran of Korea and Nam- his son is back from ar now and wounded. He is an American Indian and says HE is still fighting for equal rights, but this is not about equal rights, it is about special rights.
New guy is a big 5 in my book! a Lutheran Bhuddist. And got called back to finish his statement.
Wow. The fast talker gave the assembly members envelopes with photos of “public fellatio”. He may top Donkey Guy from last night.
My stream keeps rebuffering so I give up. Are these people from Anchorage or the bussed in people? Why are they letting people who don’t live in Anchorage testify?
Thanks in advance for the liveblog! Sure wish I could see/hear it.
oooh, he gets to stay for a question!
You guys hold down the fort tonight, I’ve got meetings till 8:30 pm ANC time, will check in later.
Got the DVR going so if any good speakers we’ll have video for later.
can’t expect to change the world instantly … ran out of time, they ASK him to finish the 3 sentences!
love buddist guy
Please, please indulge me. I’m sorry this doesn’t fit the thread, but you need to read. Please. You’ll understand once you see it:
My Convo with a Gitmo Detainee Lawyer: “I’ve given up on American media.”
http://thepoliticalcarnival.blogspot.com/2009/06/my-convo-with-gitmo-detainee-lawyer-ive.html
http://thepoliticalcarnival.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-affect-detainees-life.html
Follow ups tomorrow and the next day. Too important to ignore. I’ve contacted the media, other blogs, too.
Thank you for understanding.
Nan–go check my link at the Open Thread…
I like this guy a lot!
He is a guy who was in the navy, in nursing school but is against the ordinance? I could be crass but I won’t. I do wonder that when he becomes a nurse will he refuse to minister to gay people because it is against his moral beliefs?
Here is a Lutheran Buddist in support of ordinance. His son suffered discrimination – denied a seat in classes at college, when seats were empty.
he is citing the Dali Lama re happiness and peace in society – compassion is a necessity, not a luxury. Kindness. ahhh, YES
Quentin Hodges, army vet, Lutheran Buddhist. HUH? Seems for ordinance. Refers to Dalai Lama, his son who was discriminated against in “the guard.”
compassion is necessity, not a luxury. I’m responsible for MY life, we are all responsible for “all” our lives
Sexuality as weapon + Fundamentalist Christian mindset = Passion of the Christ (knew mel gibson would matter some day)
this guy is cool – “Lutheran Buddhist” for ordinence talking Dalai Lama
Hey guy in the hat. You use your Christianity as a weapon to try keep people from having their human rights!
Ever notice how the arguments are all the same – do these people have sexual obsession or what?
sexuality is a weapon?????
Game being played:delay delay until there are no more gays . . .think it’s the new Fundamentalist credo. . . little god for little minds & souls
Got it!
Person talking about public flogging, fellatio, etc pictures taken in SF. Speaker is obviously disgusted since the only people who would benefit are these pathetic persons. Gah.
One against.
ok, had a computer no-post zone for a while. Hope I’m back…
And yes, califpat, Travis never made his point (but I couldn’t figure out the serial murders & dictator angle at the end).
do.not.like.that.last.person.
police not stopping public display (of indecent exposure, for one)… supposedly
passing ordinance means the cops hands would be tied for indecent exposure of all sorts, etc (calls it idiotic law)
dang, sounds ANGRY
this one has scientific studies “proving” that employers do NOT discriminate-also has documents “proving” this law would be unconstitutional. it will be legally challened and cost taxpayers tons of money. If the homosexuals blend in and do not flaunt their lifestyle, there is not a problem with discrimination cites CA law and the repercussions of a similar law. lots of scare tactics.
Ooooo!! He claims to have dirty pictures!!
my stream STINKS!!! it keeps rebuffering.
I say if you can’t produce a D.L. or Voters Registration showing you live in Anchorage , tuff s^*tsky. Move along , here is the e-mail for ADN , see ya !! I mean , REALLY !!
Gonna be in and out cookin’ on the grill…..get ’em guys.
Now this guy is a stereoytype!!
Very powerful song written about South Africa and the Apartheid but speaks volumes about all social injustices faced by many groups who’s only crime is being different. Go Mudpups.
Labi Siffre – Something Inside So Strong
The higher you build your barriers
The taller I become
The farther you take my rights away
The faster I will run
You can deny me
You can decide to turn your face away
No matter, cos there’s….
Something inside so strong
I know that I can make it
Tho’ you’re doing me wrong, so wrong
You thought that my pride was gone
Oh no, something inside so strong
Oh oh oh oh oh something inside so strong
The more you refuse to hear my voice
The louder I will sing
You hide behind walls of Jericho
Your lies will come tumbling
Deny my place in time
You squander wealth that’s mine
My light will shine so brightly
It will blind you
Cos there’s……
Something inside so strong
I know that I can make it
Tho’ you’re doing me wrong, so wrong
You thought that my pride was gone
Oh no, something inside so strong
Oh oh oh oh oh something inside so strong
Brothers and sisters
When they insist we’re just not good enough
When we know better
Just look ’em in the eyes and say
I’m gonna do it anyway
I’m gonna do it anyway
Something inside so strong
And I know that I can make it
Tho’ you’re doing me wrong, so wrong
You thought that my pride was gone
Oh no, something inside so strong
Oh oh oh oh oh something inside so strong
Brothers and sisters
When they insist we’re just good not enough
When we know better
Just look ’em in the eyes and say
I’m gonna do it anyway
I’m gonna do it anyway
I’m gonna do it anyway
I’m gonna do it anyway
Because there’s something inside so strong
And I know that I can make it
Tho’ you’re doing me, so wrong
You thought that my pride was gone
Oh no, something inside so strong
Oh oh oh oh oh something inside so strong
Travis never quite made his point.
providing documentation on ??
legal precedents prove this is unconstitutional (talks FAST)
he is comparing this to murder, lying, adultry – dunno why.
“My way or the Highway” Yadda,yadda,yadda!!
Ennealogic, you might be the lucky one… 🙁
Travis, a Navy Vet up first. He is a nursing student. says this is NOT about sexual orientation. says we already possess equal rights and this will infringe on the rights of people who do NOT practice a homosexual lifestyle.
I am confused – he thinks people will be forced to become Gay?
No comes God and religious. Hate the sin, blah blah – he is against ordinance.
if passed it’ll infringe on the right of folks *not* to “live a homosexual lifestyle” (oy)
I have no picture, no sound. 🙁 I haz sad.
no more bathroom stories!
oooh, good comment about repetitive testimonies…
I got a picture but no sound
550 names on list. Not taking new names. No vote tonight.
she does not know the rules re all these people being allowed to testify thus the attorneys bing consulted. If she does not limit this, it will never end IMO.
take THAT smackdown Prevo…
plow through the list…..
she is addressing the issue of who should be allowed to testify. they now have 550 names on the list. the assembly needs to get through the list she says. NO more names will be taken after these 550. Then they will decide whether they can limit prsonal testimony, she is consulting with attorneys on this issue.
550 on the list! Omigawd.
lots of empty chairs for assembly members
oooh…she asks for speakers to say where they live.
InJuneau
There’s a twist?
here we go!!!!!
GOT IT, all is working, we are rolling.
Is no one else extremely concerned that the # of people signed up to testify has increased (to over 500 I believe)? And the churches are busing in red shirts from all over AK AND from the lower 48? This to stall until Sullian takes office so he can veto outcome? Will they put their foot down and disallow all of these parties (who do not live in Anchorage or even in alaska)?
Clocks must be off… my messages here are showing up as being 10 minutes earlier than they are by my clock: 8:21 PM here….
AKM–if you can, check your e-mails for news about the latest twist in the ArcticCat issue…
I see the opening screen that says the webcast is happening, and the timer is progressing – but nothing else showing on my screen as yet.
Nothing happening yet.
I willl try again InJuneau… thanks!
Ooo, I just checked the link, and it is all weird. I’ll bet that just means they haven’t started streaming yet. Hang in there, ‘pups!
Equality Works issues press release saying opponents want to “maintain the right to treat us like second class citizens.”
I see the same thing, Ennealogic
Nebraska Native–I got that message last night, but it still streamed for me…
I don’t think they are broadcasting yet. I’m connected but all I see is the static announce frame, although it does say June 17, 2009 on it.
(go puppies 🙂 )
It says there are too many users already… is someone able to live blog for us?
I haz a sad…no audio or video, just a static graphic and the little time counter going in the lower right corner…
Anyone getting anything from the Anchorage Assembly yet?
A note to Firefox users — You can keep the video stream and the comments visible in the same window at the same time. (I’m not familiar enough with IE any more to know if you have a similar option or not.)
(If you already have a bookmark for the video stream, AND have granted script permission to granicus.com in NoScript, you can start at step 4.)
1) Click AKM’s link to the video stream and load the page in a tab.
2) If you’re using NoScript (and shame on you if you’re not!), grant script permission to Granicus.com (Temporary or Permanent – either will work)
3) Bookmark that page.
4) Right click on the bookmark, and select Properties. In the lower left of the Properties window, check “Load this bookmark in the sidebar”, then OK to Exit
5) Left click the bookmark (as you would normally do to open one), and the video stream should load in the sidebar, leaving the rest of your screen to display TheMudflats in a normal tab. I’ve tested this with AllInOneSidebar and with the native Firefox sidebar – no problems either way.
I hear ya loud and clear AKM. No video or sound yet from the assembly meeting but there is an image… are they broadcasting tonight?
hahahaa!!! I’m stunned that I’m conscious at all…
Testing
Ennealogic–The live feed prob. won’t go live till they actually start the meeting.
justafarmer–I’d send you a bottle of scotch through the ‘tubes if I could; sounds like you’ll be needing it tonight…
Still not getting any feed from the live video yet… is the link the right one for tonight?
up and running here, but we’re dealing with a honeybee swarm AND a pack of coyotes….
jeez…after last night’s tornadoes I was hoping for a quieter evening on the farm.
Ennealogic – True That !!
I’ll be listening, even though my housemates wonder why I care.
I care because intolerance anywhere hurts us all. I care because the “religious” have gotten a false idea that their way, their beliefs, are somehow worthy of foisting upon us all. I care because any inhumanity diminishes me, too.
I’ll be there listening, and doing my best to lend support to all those in favor of 64.
Good luck on it passing!!!