What We Have Here…is a Failure to Communicate.
And a new communications director shall be made manifest, and it shall be a bold decision, and his name shall be David Murrow…presumably no relation to Edward R.
Back on June 6, “The Ear,” column of the Anchorage Daily News reported the rumor that Murrow was on deck. Sources say he was offered the job on May 26, and his first day was June 10. His first action as Palin’s Communications Director was, ironically, NOT announcing his own hire for 19 days and counting. The Juneau Empire finally has something up.
Murrow said he was too busy to talk to the Empire on Friday, but earlier told the Alaska Budget Report Newsletter he began the job June 10 and is paid $103,716 annually.
So who is this mysterious on-the-job-for-three-weeks-nobody-knows-who-he-is mystery man? Who is this Communications Director who is “too busy” to talk to the newspaper of the state’s capital?
Murrow told the Budget Report that he owned a media production company that once did work for a Palin campaign, and is also author of two books on Christian men and church.
According to the American Library Association’s Booklist, “Murrow advocates injecting a strong shot of testosterone into the proceedings to restore the masculine spirit to the church,” in his first book, “Why Men Hate Church,” published in 2004.
In 2008 he published “How Women Help Men Find God.”
You may purchase an autographed copy of either of these works at the website Church for Men. Murrow owns the site. Here are some snips:
How did Christianity, founded by a man and his 12 male disciples, become the province of women? There is a pattern of feminization in Christianity going back at least 700 years, according to Dr. Leon Podles, author of The Church Impotent: the Feminization of Christianity. But the ball really got rolling in the 1800s. With the dawning of the industrial revolution, large numbers of men sought work in mines, mills and factories, far from home and familiar parish. Women stayed behind, and began remaking the church in their image. The Victorian era saw the rise of church nurseries, Sunday schools, lay choirs, quilting circles, ladies’ teas, soup kitchens, girls’ societies, potluck dinners, etc.
Soon, the very definition of a good Christian had changed: boldness and aggression were out; passivity and receptivity were in. Christians were to be gentle, sensitive and nurturing, focused on home and family rather than accomplishment and career…
Some of you don’t know what I’m talking about. A feminized church? Some guys are happy with church just as it is, and see no need for change. Others are the sensitive type and actually like the macho-deficit…
Think of the pictures of Jesus you saw as a child. Didn’t they suggest a tender, sweet man in a shining white dress? As our boys grow up, whom will they choose as a role model: gentle Jesus, meek and mild, or Arnold Schwarzenegger, the action hero? The irony here is that the real Jesus is the ultimate hero, bold and courageous as any man alive, but we’ve turned him into a wimp…
So how did our friend connect with Sarah Palin? She asked him to work on her bid for Lt. Governor. Not having much money to pay for his services, she asked him for a discount. He prayed about it. “God usually doesn’t prompt me on my business decisions,” he said. But this time, it seems, the big guy made an exception, because Murrow signed up to the Palin campaign at a cut rate…and the rest is history.
So, what does our new Communications Director think about Palin’s communication style?
Most politicians learn early in their careers to carefully parse every word that flows from their mouths. Not Sarah. She has a tendency to speak her mind, and say things that might one day come back to haunt her. More than once I’ve rolled my eyes and thought to myself, Sarah, why did you say that? But our governor keeps following that moral compass – and comes up smelling like a rose.
We may not think that Christianity is testosterone-challenged, or could use a new image of Jesus as Terminator to combat a”macho deficit,” but many in the state have indeed rolled their eyes lots of times and thought to themselves, “Sarah, why did you say that?” So, there’s some common ground.
“As far as her religious beliefs go, Sarah is your garden-variety evangelical Christian,” says Murrow. “She’s a woman of genuine faith, but not a zealot or weirdo. She has not hidden her faith during her term as governor, but neither has she worn it on her lapel. I think that’s a good thing.”
Since the time of that quote, in early September, things have changed. She now has a Christian book author writing her memoirs, a Christian book author as her communications director, has traveled to stricken Alaskan villages with two evangelical preachers to distribute food boxes containing religious materials, has littered her electronic communications with religion-speak, and had SarahPAC refer to an image of her with her child as an “iconic representation” having been “desecrated” by a Photoshopper. Since that time, we’ve also been treated to video clips of Palin herself, in her church, being prayed over by a witch hunting pastor from Kenya who thinks the church should infiltrate the government. Then there was that trip when Palin asked students to pray for a pipe line and to “make sure God’s will be done here.” After enough examples, you begin to see a pattern.
Hmm… what was that about not wearing religion on her lapel?
Murrow will be Communications Director #4. Is this his “bold destiny made manifest?” Or will he be rolling his eyes and wondering why his boss “just said that?” Stay tuned.
Why doesn’t he just say “emasculation” and be done with it? Sheesh
Just reread, for the fourth time, Murrow’s thoughts about the percieved “feminization” of the church and, IMO, whatever he is, he is no historian.
PS, let us hope that their visions of a Wasilliran and Tehranchorage do not come to pass.
sandra in oregon–some positions can be filled by Outsiders, esp. if it’s an appointed position (that one is). I think he’d have to move here to actually DO the job though, now that he’s got it. This is as opposed to Slope workers who actually often live Outside and get flown in every 2 weeks to do their “2 on” on the Slope.
There she goes again, courting the insecure ‘macho’ male who obviously is lacking for something in his life, and who definitely does not have her (or her sex’s) best interests in mind.
I keep telling myself it can’t get any worse, and I keep proving myself oh so wrong.
Sigh. Thank you AKM for helping exposing this charade for what it is.
Just wondering if Alaska state employees have to be residents of the state. It sounds as if Murrow has a summer home there so he can say he is “living” in Alaska.
honestyinGov–(sorry to just be getting back to you on this; I wasn’t on here last night)
The only things I can find about Murrow in the ADN are from The Ear!
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/822070.html (June 6, 2009) and
http://www.adn.com/politics/story/830276.html (June 13, 2009)
I think from the information on Murrow that we now know where Megamouth Stapletongue’s communique from last week calling GINO “iconic” and the Photoshopped photo a “desecrtaion” came from…..
Might be interesting to know what communications are occuring between Murrow and Stapletongue…..
I’m with woodshed, but let diversity of belief flourish! Just don’t ever, ever use the power of the state to impose one set of religious values and beliefs, and we’re okay.
#103 – Aboriginal hunting and fishing rights in Alaska were extinguished under the Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act of 1971 (ANCSA), the same federal settlement that established the village and regional corporations and provided for the payment of money and the conveyance of land to these corporations.
To add to that – it boils down to a difference between state and federal management. My understanding and oversimplified, Federal management allows for some aboriginal sovereign usage “rights” under a ‘rural preference’, while state management does not. The state considers it discriminatory to give preference of any kind to one state citizen over another.
We have some kind of bizarre hybrid, which doesn’t satisfy any interests. Non-Natives and urban folk feel discriminated against and that someone gets something that they don’t. Natives do without priority and dependent on the same harvest regulations as everyone else, regardless of need.
Sea mammals (whale, walrus, seals) are protected federal species with special harvest under federal management, so therefore can be regulated by a definition of ‘traditional use’.
Bottom line – Alaska has no “Indian Country” so therefore no aboriginal rights.
It boggles my mind whenver Palin does anything. None of it makes sense in any context. And I agree that she is overstepping the bounds of separation of church and state, dangerously so.
@ woodstove, you are entitled to your beliefs, or lack of them. And I am entitled to mine. Please don’t paint every Christian (or religious person) with the same broad brush. We don’t all believe or act like Sarah Palin. In fact, most of us aren’t like her at all. She’s just more vocal, as is the case with many of the evangelicals who make the news.
I’m not going to get into an argument with you on religion. I’ve done that before and it really comes down to what a person chooses to believe. You’ve made your choice and I have made mine.
@nswfmCa: Yeppers!! Yeppers!!
138 EyeOnYou Says: June 29th, 2009 at 11:16 PM
FYI on Perhaps nothing can be done now about the Palin/Murrow deal…
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The email below was sent to APOC Exec. Dir. at 5:30 pm Monday 6/29/09
Ms. Hill:
Please distribute to all APOC Commissioners. Thank you.
Sarah Palin, a friend of mine http://churchformen.blogspot.com/2008/09/people-around-world-are-asking-who-is.html
In the link above, Governor Palin’s newest Communications Director David Murrow states:
And she was a savvy negotiator. At our first meeting she made it clear she would be running a shoestring campaign. She told me she liked my work and wanted me to produce her electronic media, but she had no fat cat donors to bankroll her run. I don’t cut my rates for anybody. But I did what Christians are supposed to do: I went home and prayed about the decision. Frankly, I didn’t expect an answer. God doesn’t usually prompt me regarding my business decisions. But in the case of Sarah I had an immediate impression that I should help her, and that I was not to worry about the money. I called Sarah the next day and signed on for her long-shot campaign.
Is it legal for Mr. Murrow to cut rates for only candidate Sarah Palin legal?
Do her financial disclosure reports reflect this “cut rate” gift she received for that year since she was the mayor of Wasilla at the time and had to claim all gifts received that year.
Do her lt. gov. campaign reports reflect this “cut rate” in-kind donation David Murrow contributed to Palin’s lt. gov campaign?
Was he a sole proprietorship or was he prohibited from contributing anything as a business or corporation?
Is cutting rates for only certain people allowed under Alaska’s campaign finance laws?
What other goods and services has Sarah Palin failed to disclose on her financial campaign and disclosure reports throughout the last 15 years while mayor of Wasilla, AOGCC commissioner, lt. gov. and gov candidate and governor?
Thank you.
Andrée McLeod
137 nswfm CA Says:
June 29th, 2009 at 11:13 PM
There is some major communicating going on in Vanity Fair in the latest issue.
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West Coast Annie posted the link on the other thread. Yep. Major communicating on SP.
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/08/sarah-palin200908
Perhaps nothing can be done now about the Palin/Murrow deal, but the information MUST be saved and kept so that if and when she tries running for any kind of position in the future, state or national, it can be brought forward and questions can be asked. It is things like this that will bring her down.
There is some major communicating going on in Vanity Fair in the latest issue.
Go Woodstove!
Namaste
You don’t need an excuse to be tolerant and to do good. You need an excuse to be intolerant and to do bad things. Religion gives people their excuse. And then religion forgives them. Good people don’t need religion. Be it a crutch, be it a cane, somewhere to be, something to gain, or maybe an answer to life as well, you can have your heaven man, I’ll be born and go to hell. How much salvation can you buy and how bad do you need it? Religion, isn’t it sold with fear? Religion, another tool for control freaks. The God concept is not limited to one God. Why is it never about my God being more tolerant than your God? It is always my God can beat up your God. Those who talk to God are talking to themselves and answering themselves as God. When things go there way it is praise God, when they don’t it is God works in mysterious ways. And the biggest cop out of all, God has a plan for me. And for all of you intelligent designers, if everything was created by intelligent design, that would mean God would have to have been created by intelligent design. Which would mean another God would have to have created the present God. Which means you have God to the infinity or you have no God at all. Which will it be?
Thanks, Closet Mudpup and Dowl for the comments.
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I have more than a passing acquaintance with highly organized patriarchal religions.
I’m 100% Swiss in ethnic background but am a fourth-generation American. The church community I grew up in was very similar to the Amish. My ancestors came over from Switzerland in the 1860’s as part of the Anabaptist movement against the state Swiss church. Marriage outside the church was strictly forbidden….hence my, no doubt, homozygosity on many recessive genes (that’s a joke).
I was a born skeptic and rebel. I chafed at the strictures and patriarchal hierarchy. It’s been a long journey from my childhood…..
I only mention this because I don’t want the reader left with the impression that my thoughts come solely out of some anthropology textbook (although I have read many). I had patriarchy bred in the bone and crammed down my throat. I know it inside and outside and in between. The open face. The hidden face. The absolute dependence on an external locus of control (God and religious beliefs) as opposed to an internal locus of control (responsibility for one’s own actions and directives). The absolute unwillingness to be open to new ideas…..
That’s why I’m vehement about separation of church and state. I know what patriarchal religion looks like and how it functions. It has no place in the governance of a modern country like ours where individual rights, free speech, and democracy are the foundations of the constitution.
ValleyIndependent
“Bless her heart” is what Palin told Halcro during the ’06 gubernatorial debates while trying to mock him….
As far as the legal issue re: discounts given to campaigns—
there is a contribution limit as to how much anyone can give a candidate…whether in-kind or money. In 2002 the contribution limit was $500. So, did David offer Sarah a discount worth more than $500? Why did Sarah not claim it? We’ll never know because the statute of limitation is up.
It may be worth remembering that the gentleman’s assistance did not secure a successful outcome. Seems I recall that Loren Leman won that Lt Gov race.
#119 @Lee323
Thanks for the discussion re this biological / anthropological / dominionist reading of patriarchy re the woman’s place in the New Testament church. Spiritual truths (the Living Word) can be liberating when used to consciously treat others the way you would appreciate being treated. We cannot afford to continue to discount other human beings based on oppressive religious control, whether in Christianity or not, through fear and loathing.
This whole Ms. Palin and her onward christian soldiers platform reeks of manifest destiny resurrected, if in fact it ever died. I know, I know, it’s been politically incorrect to acknowledge…
Thanks, too (and also) for the book recommendation.
Andree – was that the old southern “You can say anything you want about a person, so matter how bad, as long as you add ‘bless his (or her) heart’ to the end of it.”?
Lee323 – I have to agree.
Andree….
You are truly a nice person :>)
From my perspective….she needs less blessing and more sit-down-shut-up-and-learn-something-for-once-in-your-silly-delusional-life.
Andree, from what I have seen in the past, I don’t think APOC has an issue with disparity in discounts, nor do I think this should be an issue. No individual should be required to give a discount on their services (in-kind campaign contribution) to a candidate not of their choosing. While the disparity might cause some hard feelings, I suspect the only legal issue would be whether each candidate that received a discount appropriately recorded the discount they received from the customary rates.
125 Lee323 Says: June 29th, 2009 at 9:17 PM
…one who has difficulty in separating her religious beliefs from her governmental duties.
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Bless her heart……..
Andree McLeod (R) Says:
June 29th, 2009 at 8:47 PM
118 seattlefan Says:
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It was $650.00
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Andree…Thanks for the clarification. I thought I might have messed up and misunderstood.
Wow…… no words, just questions.
122 Andree McLeod (R) Says:
June 29th, 2009 at 8:59 PM
“BTW: David Murrow did my 2004 campaign commercials when i ran for the state house. I never felt pressured by any religious talk from him at all.”
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He has a different boss this time around……one who has difficulty in separating her religious beliefs from her governmental duties.
Valleyindependent: You’re right. The discounts equate to an in-kind contribution and should be reported.
One other thing: I don’t believe discounts can be offered in a disparate manner. I don’t believe others were given the same opportunity to take advantage of the discounts Murrow offered Palin…and that violates the APOC laws too.
Andree, you have made some good points. The last I heard, any discount given needed to be reported on the APOC report as a contribution. If he discounted his rates and the discount wasn’t reported as an in-kind contribution, that would seem to be a violation in its own right.
#77 Lori – I think you said it for me. This smells like a payback with a nice salary. I wonder what the guy should have received at full price on the Lt. Gov campaign and also what his current pay would be if he hadn’t landed his current gig for the gov.
#5 Greytdog – thanks for the Bible lesson – LOL
#84 oregonbird – thanks for the history lesson
It seems to me that the world would be a better place if we had a few more potluck suppers and a few less people with too much testosterone shooting each other. If I remember correctly, Jesus was rather fond of communal meals, and I don’t recall him getting into fights (other than the ruckus with the money changers at the temple, and I don’t think he actually hit anybody even then). The new guy sounds kind of scary and irrational – just like his boss. I sure hope I’m wrong about that.
BTW: David Murrow did my 2004 campaign commercials when i ran for the state house. I never felt pressured by any religious talk from him at all.
He was nice to work with and did an outstanding job from start to finish.
Excellent, Lee. Has anyone seen info on the religious ties of the new AG??
118 seattlefan Says:
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It was $650.00
Murrow, Palin’s new communication director asks: “How did Christianity, founded by a man and his 12 male disciples, become the province of women?”
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The real question is not about the character of the modern church. No. Despite his obvious disdain of a “feminized church,” Murrow doesn’t even realize that the real question that’s bothering him is men’s weakening control over women.
Christianity is a profoundly patriarchal religion. Anthropologically, males have used patriarchal belief systems as a means to control women’s sexuality and offspring throughout history.
A woman who chooses her sexual partners takes away the absolute control from the man to be certain that the child she bears is genetically his. Just as the wild stallion jealously guards his harem to the extent of killing other rivals in order to make certain all offspring will carry his DNA, so the human male may control human females’ sexuality by strictures and controlling hierarchies which are sanctioned by a “higher power” (religious beliefs).
Religious believers don’t want to believe that biology underlies patriarchal religion but it does.
Consider Murrow’s statement that “Injecting more testosterone” into the modern church is needed to revive it’s masculine vigor….This is a blatant sexual metaphor that illustrates the biological imperative that underlies the patriarchal system of controlling “feminity”. Murrow’s injecting testosterone into that feminine church is…..sexual.
Further, read the following passage of Christian theology concerning men’s and women’s roles. Who’s in control? Who has the role of the “church?”
Ephesians 5:22-25
22 “Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church; and he is the saviour of the body;
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church..”
Control and sex. If the church has changed over the last seven hundred years, it’s because women are slowly and inexorably taking more control of their own sexuality and reproduction after the heavy oppression of two thousand years of patriarchal domination….and it’s making modern Christian men nervous. They kinda like all that control, donchya know?
Poor, dense Murrow et al….they have confused spirituality with carnality. Testosterone or even an abstract discussion of “bold” males and “nurturing” females has nothing to do with the spiritual realm. They should be rejoicing that the modern church has the capacity to evolve into a more spiritually based belief system that MAY be able to gradually grow above cultural, biologic, or anthropological contexts and constraints. If it doesn’t keep growing…..it won’t survive the future. (BTW….an interesting book for consideration on this topic is John Shelby Spong’s “Why Christianity Must Change or Die.”)
Palin and Murrow…..bad news for separation of church and state. Expect more religious bullroar from the two of them.
LisanTX: I don’t think it matters. What matters is why she hired him, what his qualifications are (aside from writing a book a running a discounted campaign. Less than $700 (or is it $700K? Andree said $695 and I assumed than meant dollars, but she may have meant $695K). I’m thinking something is very fishy here.
New thread up.
Do you think Sarah adjusted the salary for Murrow or did McAllister make the same salary?
I tried to find McAllister’s salary, but didn’t see it in the report of executive compensation
http://fin.admin.state.ak.us/dof/financial_reports/resource/SB155Report2008.pdf
LisanTx,
If he’s watched the revolving door, he’ll know to keep his kids enrolled in their present school, not to sell the house and only find rental accommodations in Alaska as by the end of the summer — he’ll be toast!!!
I’m totally guessing here but not only did Bill McA get sick and tired, SP gave him that crap about “what they are saying about Bristol isn’t true” about BP being preggers. Then he ended up in that Gusty SUPER BELLY photo op. He found out her pants are on fire and blackmailed her into giving her another job so he can keep his govt insurance to pay for cancer treatment. Just a wild guess, but this new guy won’t last long either with the diva gov. Then he’ll write another book, this time they’ll both end up in the remainder bin at the bookstore.
Apparently, David Murrow lives/lived in Conroe, Texas and only spends a few summer months in Alaska.
http://www.wordserveliterary.com/Authors%20on%20index/Murrow,%20David/Author%20David%20Murrow.html
I wonder if he’s going to move his children from school in Texas to Alaska (if he has any school age)? Think he’ll sell his Conroe home? This could really be interesting. Darn, there’s that Texas-Alaska connection again.
So sorry – I was dreaming I was on the open thread when I posted the fising stuff above.
So to make up for it, hmmm…. what do I say about a new communications director? Well, I think she wore the previous one out. One only has so many snarky quips and snotty retorts before one gets sick or tired. I think B McAllister is both. And SP the Snarky is throwing over the media types for the religious types – she has more power over them – have you noticed? Wonder when she and the Tongue will clash? You know that the rats will chew their tails off to get away from SP when she cracks!
Amen to that GA Peach!
Ah, yes, fond memories of ‘Trails’ regarding Native people. Reminds me of the ‘Trail of Tears’ when SE Native populations were forcibly removed to Oklahoma.
If I could give the Native people of Alaska one thing it would be a smart, savy, take no prisoner, state and federal suing , SOB Attorney at Law, backed up by a hard driving community machine.
I hate to see the last ‘living off the land’ Native people of North America end up like the Seminoles of Florida, who are cash rich and spirit poor, disenfranchised with very little connection to their culture.
ooops, pollock not pollack
It is this Federal Board of Subsistence meeting that Dennis Zaki tried to attend in Emmonak, which we are still waiting to hear news about. This is FEDERAL, so I’m really curious as to what went on at that meeting. Dennis, we need you!
http://www.thetundradrums.com/news/show/6186
The Federal Subsistence Board has approved a special action that closes federal public waters along parts of the Yukon River to the harvest of chinook salmon by non-federally qualified subsistence users, according to a news release on Monday.
The Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act requires that, in times of shortage, federally qualified subsistence users have priority over other users for the subsistence harvest of fish and wildlife on Federal public lands and waters.”
History Goddess
thank you – dang re the treaty (who did & who didn’t have one).
sigh.
Just saw a tweet (not SP’s) that read:
“At home in Anchorage watching KTUU news, Sarah Palin just threw C4P under the bus, disavows any link or endorsement of them. Ouchie,”
For GINO to be so ambition driven and so power hungry, she will be the primary source that will halt her political career by her corrupt underhanded dealings of hiring whackjobs she feels indebted to.
The trawling industry (pollack) has damaged many other fisheries, including King crab.
http://notrawlzone.blogspot.com/
There’s some good info in the blog above about how it all works. When I was in Kodiak for a summer, they called them ocean rapers. I didn’t really like what that brought to mind.
Nan-
Laws involving native hunting and fishing are complicated. I did a quick search on AK natives and found this article which gives some good information. Apparently a lot changed in 1971- http://www.alaska.net/~dkmertz/natlaw.htm
I learned some good information which leads me to more questions…
Aboriginal hunting and fishing rights in Alaska were extinguished under the Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act of 1971 (ANCSA), the same federal settlement that established the village and regional corporations and provided for the payment of money and the conveyance of land to these corporations.
Whether that was the best way or not is a question that haunts me still. But, the Western corporate way is what everyone–the state, the feds, and the Natives, agreed to.
Holy Batman, Robin. Alaska just keeps getting weirder and weirder!
Well, I got hit by the spam filter. 🙁
IS there any reason the out of town fishing fleets can’t fish *after* the salmon have finished their spawning? Or after the Native peoples have fished?
I mean, what are the logistics? Do the pollack run only with the salmon? Do they run after? Before?
It seems like the citizens of Alaska “own” the oil (and get a ‘dividend’) but the original citizens do not own the “natural resource” of the salmon. Alaska first, my foot.
BigSlick Says:
June 29th, 2009 at 6:49 PM
An if y’all like them movin’ pikchurs here I gots me a nuther.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JFyIaybXbU
Cover the kiddies eyes if you don’t to let them see the light.
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Thanks for the relief. I’d forgotten about this fun cover.
Long time to wait for Pay to play. It is just a crowd she is comfortable with. But the illegal contribution is interesting. A transparent administration would show what the pre discount amount was.
(Copying & pasting a post that I left over on HuffPo on Shannyn’s “faux outrage” post, but I think, in light of a new communications director, it’s just as fitting here.)
I find it very telling that Sarah & her spokespeople go all rabid crazy over something stupid like a photoshop, but then when there are websites out there that make very specific accusations about her (fake) pregnancy, they are strangely…….silent. (Her nutso supporters go postal, but those in charge of officially speaking for the Governor? Nuttin’.)
Where’s the outrage? The threats of lawsuits to shut them up? Where are the cries of slander? Libel?
The proof that those websites are just batsh*t crazy???
(crickets)
Thought so.
Medic!
He’s too busy feeding SP nonsensical tweets to write his own release. Is is a lot of work trying to make her look like a loving mother (NOT), a good fundraiser (NOT), a competent governor (NOT), crazy religulous whack job and a poorly dressed grifter. Those last two she did ALL by herself.
Good luck, Nick the New Guy. Wait until he’s nailed for discounting his fee. Ruh ro.
@ 60 Philip Munger Says:
June 29th, 2009 at 5:37 PM
Edward R. Murrow must be rolling in his grave.
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Is there viable proof that Palin is holding off aid unless villages agree to — what? Build an evangelical church? Hire a preacher off an approved list? Agree to hand out tracts at every town meeting?
It’s quite an accusation.
@Andree…lol…Palin just doesn’t learn. She had to know that you of all people would look into this little discount detail. The woman is a walking talking disaster.
An if y’all like them movin’ pikchurs here I gots me a nuther.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JFyIaybXbU
Cover the kiddies eyes if you don’t to let them see the light.
Ah gots me a pikchur o’ Murrow’s Jeezus fer yas rightchere don’tchya knowz?
http://www.bartcop.com/xtreme%20Jesus.jpg
Closet Mudpup – thank you!
And everyone, please read it – especially the last bit where it talks about the court case where their rights were upheld! – and apparently no one has ever looked at that precedent since – well, not recently.
Are there lawyers among us who can tell us just how much “precedent” is worth should a similar court case surface?
Ah gots me a pikchur o’ Murrow’s Jeezus fer yas rightchere don’tchya knowz?
http://www.bartcop.com/xtreme%20Jesus.jpg
An if y’all like them movin’ pikchurs here I gots me a nuther.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JFyIaybXbU
Cover the kiddies eyes if you don’t to let them see the light.
Nan- The Boldt Decision was a Washington State ruling that interpreted the Treaty of Medicine Creek (all others in WA were based on that one) to mean that the treaty guaranteed treaty tribes 1/2 of the fish (in common with all citizens) at usual and accustomed grounds. (I paraphrased a bit.) Pretty much is allowed the state to decide how many fish were available, and natives were entitled to 1/2. The other 1/2 to be divided between commercial and sport fishermen (not sure the %) Sadly, this ruling also was interpreted later to mean that it only applied to tribes that signed one of the mid 19th century treaties. That hurt others that must try to get a share from the “citizen” 1/2. Not all tribes signed treaties- some were given reservations by executive order. Others, like the Chinook that Lewis and Clark wrote so much about are STILL trying to get federal recognition.
Since the last treaties were written around 1871, I don’t know what kind of arrangements were made in AK.
Wonder how long it will take until Gods mighty door slams in his macho face?
Isn’t it the responsibility of those elected to represent a group of people get their hineys out there and actually (gasp) represent them that elected ’em?
Isn’t it the responsibility of the elected governor to represent all the people of his or her state?
This is more than simple (ha) marginalization of a people; it appears to be the systematic, sustained effort to eliminate even the margin for a very large number of people.
You all have yourselves one heckuva guvnor, doncha?
Andree McLeod (R) Says:
June 29th, 2009 at 6:15 PM
APOC database shows Palin paid Murrow Media ONLY $650 for a STATEWIDE lt. gov campaign in 2002.
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Very interesting indeed! The only transparency evident here is that of the people looking into the doings of this administration.
Sounds like there are trepidations about announcing this guy. $650.00 for a Statewide Lt. Gov. Campaign is quite the bargain. What the heck is up with that? I just bought a new dryer and it cost WAY more than that.
Wow Nan, that is very powerful stuff, and I hope it gets read by thousands. I’m not from Alaska, but when I saw the interview of Palin a bit ago, sounded like she didn’t want the natives to exist anymore in the Yukon, and wanted them to move to civilization
I guess if we told Palin and her palinbots we’re taking away their bibles and reiligion and move to another part of Alaska , they would fight.
Closet Mudpup Says:
June 29th, 2009 at 6:21 PM
Andree @ 77
Sounds like his little discount ran somewhere in the little ol’ neighborhood of 90%. That’s a pretty friendly deal.
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If $650, more like a 900% discount. IMHO.
Nan – It’s in the Dutch Harbor Fisherman
http://www.thedutchharborfisherman.com/news/story/6411
“With the dawning of the industrial revolution, large numbers of men sought work in mines, mills and factories, far from home and familiar parish. Women stayed behind, and began remaking the church in their image. The Victorian era saw the rise of church nurseries, Sunday schools, lay choirs, quilting circles, ladies’ teas, soup kitchens, girls’ societies, potluck dinners, etc.”
Can I get a big “Oh Yeah?!”
Women worked in those mines, mills and factories. They died in those places, choking with tuberculosis. They bought their places with their bodies, then burned to death, locked in dark sweatshops. They were strip-searched daily, to be certain that not a single bobbin of thread was stolen. Typhoid, chlorea and smallpox ravaged the slums the uprooted workers inhabited, as did alcoholism and drug use. The birth rate nearly doubled, and the separation between the middle and lower classes became nearly insurmountable.
Their children suffered the same fate — children under the age of ten were of limited use on farms, where strength was a measure of use; running machinery didn’t require strength, and being small enough to move among close-packed machinery made children a new, cheap workforce for the new industries. It was a rare day in England when several children were not crushed to death at work.
There are entire libraries filled with books and tracts written, both at the time by christian evangelists and social reformers and by historians since, to prove the plight of children in mines and textile factories. There were no educational prospects for lower class children. If they were not employed — at literally starvation wages –in one of the industries, their only other choice took them into the streets. It is no wonder that child prostitution and abuse was at an all-time high during the industrial revolution. It took slow, greatly contested legal means to limit the hours required of children under the age of 18 to merely twelve, and the legislation was rarely enforced.
As for the ‘girlification’ of a religion that should have been focused on cutting off heads and stomping on foreign nationals — what horrible things were accomplished, in the *latter* part of the industrial revolution? Well, evangelicals noticed that the workers were stunted, uneducated, perpetually ill, desperately drunk, rat-eaten, syphallitic and without clothes or food enough for the growing families of pale, weak children.
The men, both evangelical and political, busied themselves with promoting legislation, speaking with the mill and mine owners, and promising heaven, with various opinions as to whether the nascent unions were godly or not. A number of them concerned themselves with prostitution, and set up meetings and halfway houses where women were encouraged to work in factories or at ‘womanly crafts’, rather than sell themselves and bring in more than double the income.
The upper class and middle class women provided food and clothing, set up sanctuaries for women in need, arranged training and jobs for girls and boys as house servants, shop assistants and clerical workers, taught reading and basic maths, provided medicine and the tools for basic hygiene and birth control. They tried to improve the slum conditions that encouraged vermin and sickness. They taught children who had never smiled how to sing psalms.
How dare this Murrow creature blithely re-write history –my OWN history, thank you! — and deny the existance of the misery women and chidren lived and died in during the industrial revolution?
Palin surely does know how to pick them. What is broken in that woman’s mind, that she is uncomfortable unless the men she surrounds herself with loathe and openly dispise women? There just aren’t enough of them in Alaska, to her way of thinking. So she’s brought in another misogynist, painting women and the back-breaking work they did out of the picture. Negating their contributions, both as industrial workers and as social architects.
Given his claim of higher testosterone levels, is it any wonder that a man whose job is communication has no interest in actually communicating?
MonaLisa –
That’s IT! You ROCK!
oh – and thank you kindly 🙂
Nan
#79 Nan:
http://www.thedutchharborfisherman.com/news/story/6411
Wow, the discussion of Palin’s tweets about the “Trail of Healing” on Palingates is very interesting. New religiongate in the making?
@ Lori: That’s exactly what I was saying. Yeppers!
On a previous comment, there was a link to an article about Native peoples and their right their RIGHT to have “first come first serve” at the salmon (much condensed, & probably waaay over-simplified).
I can’t find it now; it may have been on the open thread – anybody still have it?
Nan
Andree @ 77
Sounds like his little discount ran somewhere in the little ol’ neighborhood of 90%. That’s a pretty friendly deal.
APOC database shows Palin paid Murrow Media ONLY $650 for a STATEWIDE lt. gov campaign in 2002.
“– and comes up smelling like a rose.”
Hmmm. I thought roses smelled better than that.
It must be the fertilizer that I smell then. 😉
If this a “pay to play” i.e. he got the part-time job that pays over $100,000 a year because he discounted his services while working on SP’s campaign – then WHOA………This is what Blago did (in fact, Blago merely TRIED to do it) and was impeached! I am crossing fingers that someone will connect the dots here – where is Fitzgerald when we need him?
Her token black guy got the boot. Now were back to christian KKK White dudes.
gosh, and i just posted on huffpo that we shouldn’t toss him under the bus just because he’s a christian. i commented that he might be a real good guy.
i shoulda read the mudflats first. damn.
Satan must have answered morrow’s ‘prayer’. No loving God would subject us to such a vile and evil person as Princess Sarah of Palin
64 JRC Says:
June 29th, 2009 at 5:46 PM
OMFreakingG. A nutcase. Excellent.
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priceless!
moral compass? comes up smelling like a rose?
sheesh! how is palin so successful in finding just the right sycophants to fill every vacant position? i guess people think the opportunity to get noticed on palins drama tour is worth the temporary loss of dignity and self-respect.
Wow, this Murrow guy seems to be intimidated and repulsed by men who are in touch with their feminine side. He wants to inject some macho into the church. LOL!
Are he and Burke buddies?
The stuff that keeps surfacing just amazes me. BTW, why no formal announcement of his hiring? Are there fears it will look like pay to play? He helped her out in the past and now she is giving him a cushy job to be her “mouth”?
Wow, I remember Brother Jed Smock and Sister Cindy……
takes me back 20 years to to my atheist awakening.
from one professor geezer to another – Thanks!
Another great post @ Progressive Alaska, Phil!
Glow – Amazing. I feel your pain. Reminds me when I attended U of NM, every
spring semester “Brother Jed” would preach by the duck pond and various groups where out to witness and convert. Given the environment, it was educational and entertaining. Here in AK I feel like a minority. I truly hope GINO’s exit in 2010 will bring back some sanity to state government.
OMFreakingG. A nutcase. Excellent.
# 52
Edie Says:
June 29th, 2009 at 5:01 PM
OT – Anyone seen Jason Linkous article on Huff Post?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/29/sarah-palin-battles-the-i_n_222755.html
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Make sure everybody goes to Huffpo to post a comment. I tried to link AKM’s story here just now and the mods grabbed it ( comment pending)because it had the link in it. Tried to post about how she is putting religion into everything.
LOL, and I was going to apologize for being OT!! GMTA
Edie,
aw the Huffpo story & commented!
When I hear Palin speak she smells more like a sh*t house door on a tuna boat. Did this jerk go to high school with Palin?
Edward R. Murrow must be rolling in his grave.
Communication Director #4, eh? We may soon be looking at Rural Affairs Coordinator #3. We’ve caught John Moller in a big, fat lie. I just posted about it at PA:
http://progressivealaska.blogspot.com/2009/06/are-palin-and-moller-lying-about.html
Phil Munger has a great article up right now on Progressive Alaska.
If Sarah were Butt Ugly, no one would giver her the time of day. Put a bag on her head and listen to her words…she is a joke…a phony and a fraud!
Of course God gives discounts to fellow travelers. WWJD?
Christian supremacy is woven throughout Alaska public life. There are street corner preachers all over Fairbanks on Saturdays, thumping their bibles and yelling at passersby about sin and hell and damnation. The men are the yellers. The women all have babies in strollers and rock them while the men shout. It’s creepy. The other day, we were stopped at a stop light and there were about a dozen christian yellers and rockers. Our dog started growling her anxiety growl, so we rolled up the window. Jeepers creepers.
Doesn’t matter what Iconic Sarah does, she’s beautiful..at least that’s what her supporters say. She’s a beautiful, ” christian” mother who didn’t abort her child…THAT’S IT, nothing else matters to them. If you notice they always put down anyone criticizing her by making comments on how the look.
CG Says:
June 29th, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Huh. So he’s the one responsible for the State of Alaska website headline:
“Governor Palin Visits ANG in Kosovo
on a Peacekeeping Mission”
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This was just a play on Words CG, To make it look like GINO was on a Peace Keeping Mission, Which we all know she wasn’t, It’s just a Publicity Stunt too make it look that-a-ways . . The real Headline was:
“Governor Sarah Palin is in Kosovo visiting approximately 140 Alaska Army National Guard aviators who are deployed for 12 months on a peacekeeping mission” . . . Which means the AK.-A.N.G. is on the Peace Keeping Mission, Not the GINO . . . . . . . . . . . . What a joke she is ! ! !
hahahahahahahahahaha! !! ! ! ! ! !
GINO’s appointment of Murrow as Communication Director was “payback” for his discounted services he gave her when she was making her bid for Lt. Gov. JMO!!
In looking at the Calender of news events on the ADN for the 10th.
There is a story about signing the Exxon deal on the 11th.
The 10th had S&M in full ‘faux outrage ‘ mode aimed at David Letterman… based on the ADN news posting. Or course they were so singly focused on THAT ,they would not want to distract the Press and change the subject with anything other than Letterman. And they kept THAT topic in the News for quite awhile afterward. I’m guessing the two agreed to not talk about anything but DL so as to be a distraction from that. The Murrow hiring was wayyyyyy down on the list.
I’m also wondering who is paying Meg. If SarahPac only raised about $ 5K in half a year, that isn’t enough to pay her wages and the cost of travel, web hosting, etc.
If he has been working for twenty days and no one knew it, was he helping ghost writer on Palin’s book? Keep in mind that there is going to be two editions, one for regular folk and another for the religious conservatives. Perhaps, he working in that.
Looks like another ethics complaint may be needed to figure out what work he is actually doing.
This “cutting rates” for Sarah would not be looked at too kindly by the Alaska Public Offices Commission.
“I don’t cut my rates for anybody. But I did what Christians are supposed to do: I went home and prayed about the decision. Frankly, I didn’t expect an answer. God doesn’t usually prompt me regarding my business decisions. But in the case of Sarah I had an immediate impression that I should help her, and that I was not to worry about the money. I called Sarah the next day and signed on for her long-shot campaign.”
http://churchformen.blogspot.com/2008/09/people-around-world-are-asking-who-is.html
OT – Anyone seen Jason Linkous article on Huff Post?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/29/sarah-palin-battles-the-i_n_222755.html
So Murrow = Religious Tweetiebird?
46 Aussie Blue Sky Says:
June 29th, 2009 at 4:52 PM
His “job” was said to be not full-time (which may mean ‘temporary’) and mostly “web-based”. So I guess he’s the one emailing tweets to the gub Blackberry all day.
——————–Part-time? $103500, part-time?
Austin,
Ooh-ee-ooh-ah-ah, ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang
Ooh-ee-ooh-ah-ah, ting-tang-walla-walla-bang-bang
Ooh-ee-ooh-ah-ah, ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang
Ooh-ee-ooh-ah-ah, ting-tang-walla-walla-bang-bang
I can’t imagine how thick the opposition research files are, by now. Gotta be tomes.
Holy Jeebus The Christ™!
His “job” was said to be not full-time (which may mean ‘temporary’) and mostly “web-based”. So I guess he’s the one emailing tweets to the gub Blackberry all day.
Huh. So he’s the one responsible for the State of Alaska website headline:
“Governor Palin Visits ANG in Kosovo
on a Peacekeeping Mission”
Starting off the new job with a bit of a bold lie, eh? Sarah Palin was NOT on a “Peacekeeping Mission” or anything that could be even remotely close.
Well, okay. It lets us know right up front what to expect from Mr. Murrow.
Greytdog Δ Says:
June 29th, 2009 at 3:39 PM
I’m thinking this guy has Jesus mixed up with Joshua. . . as for the righteousness of a testosterone driven Christian male, may I point to exhibit A: Mark Sanford, exhibit B: John Ensign, exhibit C: David Vitter. . . .and finally, Exhibits D & E: Ted Haggard & Jimmy Swaggert. . .
Thus endth the lesson for today.
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And a very graphic lesson at that. Thanks for reminding me.
Boy, sarah just seems to have gone off the rails, also, too. Her desperation is really starting to show.
InJuneau…
If this was a dismissed ethic complaint it would be on that website so fast, the ink would still be wet on the paper. With 3 tweets to follow after that.
If he started getting paid on the 10th… was there anything in the News at that time..? Because everything she does has some ulterior motive that comes out later and you go ” OH… YEAH’ !! There must have been something going on relating to Her in the News.
Did she not release it THEN because she was getting bad press already on something else. Otherwise Meg would have been bragging about this big time.
I’ll bet there in something in the ADN on the 10th.
40 zyggy Says:
June 29th, 2009 at 4:46 PM
do you think they will both pray together before submitting official announcement? =)
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Don’t forget the witch doctor , Romney won’t.
Andree – No point in another ethics complaint – will likely be dismissed as “frivolous” before anyone reads it. This has to go to AK FBI office or IRS (if she did not claim the discount as a gift). I suspect you, of all people, know this by now. Your efforts are so appreciated, but the fix is in up there at the local level.
do you think they will both pray together before submitting official announcement? =)
33 the problem child Says: June 29th, 2009 at 4:33 PM
What an excellent point, Andree! Is there a statute of limitations on complaints about this sort of skulduggery?
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Statute of limitations changed this year from 1 year to five years.
But that doesn’t make it any less illegal…eh?
I don’t think God would have approved of this discount either. : )
I wonder what the Vatican thinks about all this?
the problem child Says (35)
Perhaps she was hoping to have him come in under the radar and just compose sacramental tweets for her. The ghost-tweeterer.
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if it’s “sacramental tweets” does that mean it’s a “holy-ghost-tweeterer”??
greydog – you sure got it! Amen.
Perhaps she was hoping to have him come in under the radar and just compose sacramental tweets for her. The ghost-tweeterer.
honestyinGov–well lookie here, he actually shows up in the State Employee Directory search: http://www.state.ak.us/cgi-bin/whitepage.cgi (I think you’ll have to type in his last name to see it). I don’t, however, see any announcement of it on GINO’s press release pages…
What an excellent point, Andree! Is there a statute of limitations on complaints about this sort of skulduggery?
Sarah tweets. “Is it ok to hack emails? go through someone’s mail and broadcast what was stole? Nope, not ok to most Americans.” But God directed me to hack Rudy Ruedrich’s, because he’s bad, really bad. And to shout it out to all Alaskans, to further my cause. For I am the chosen one. One mountain at a time. Now down to the river to pray. Alleluia, Alleluia. The rapture is near,Alleluia, Alleluia.
I think we need to reconstruct the sentence on this one….
YU BETCHA !!.. .. What we have here is a failure to communicate.
A ‘ Communications Director’ that doesn’t feel it is his Job to ‘communicate’.
Ironic…. maybe.
But then Alaska has a ‘ Governor ‘ who doesn’t ‘ govern’ either.
Two peas in a pod.
And when will His appointment FINALLY show up on the Official Alaska webpage? In private business this would be like turning in a timecard and getting Paid… but never showing up for work.
Another example of that ‘ transparency ‘ she is always talking about.
Maybe Andree McLeod will show up on this thread and give her opinion. Has she broken any Laws by NOT announcing it….. and paying him Taxpayer money.
Lori in Los Angeles
thanks! I’d missed that (somehow)
Nan
She asked him to work on her bid for Lt. Governor. Not having much money to pay for his services, she asked him for a discount. He prayed about it….Murrow signed up to the Palin campaign at a cut rate…and the rest is history.
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The discount Murrow gave to Sarah is considered an in-kind contribution and if it was worth more than $500, it was an ILLEGAL contribution as it exceeded the contribution limit.
Furthermore…businesses, corporations and unions are prohibited from contributing to candidates. That means if Dave’s business was not a sole proprietorship, his in-kind contribution was ILLEGAL according to Alaska’s campaign finance and disclosure laws.
I’ve got evangelical friends and one of them asked me to attend a guy’s-only confession and advice session. I agreed to go and I figured it wouldn’t hurt to attend (despite my own convictions).
Guy after guy talked about how things had gotten out of hand with other church-going guys’ wives. I couldn’t believe it! Around the circle I heard speech after speech about how it’s just not worth it to mess around with other guys’ wives and how if you succumb you’ll be tormented and burdened with guilt for the rest of your life, indelibly tarnished before your spouse and family.
I hadn’t realized churches were such hotbeds– amazing what they accomplish in just an hour each Sunday. From what these guys were saying I figured don’t bother with bars; just cut to the chase and go to church!
In the situation here, some-other-guy’s-church going wife has hired a really devout church guy as her press secretary?
Message to church goers: I’m sure lots of good and faithful folks go to church too. But at my meeting I was just astonished. Sort of a Church Guys’ Anonymous. I couldn’t believe it. Sin happens! Sin will happen! Hope I didn’t offend anyone.
I guess I don’t understand the premise of separation of church and state.
Oh wait, maybe it’s GINO that doesn’t understand it.
The legislator she appointed from Wasilla to fill a vacant seat was an elder in her Wasilla church – you can be sure she earned another Infiltrator Merit Badge for that one.
Bones AK – Recall seems unlikely, takes lots of time and the citizens say it cannot be completed by the time her term is done (although I still think it would be a good thing to do). Impeachment would be faster (see Blago), but the Legislators may be reluctant until and if there are criminal charges (GO FBI, GO IRS!). Until then, I would hope that the Legs will at least censor the GINO re all of the religious infusion into the State government.
Maybe he will write better “copy” that Stapletongue… here begging for SarahPAC
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/70998.html
Congrats to whichever Mudflatter posted that Sarah’s wacky religious leanings would dictate her politics. You were so right.
nan – here is my source re ACLU taking care of “religion gate” –
http://palingates.blogspot.com/2009/06/sarah-palins-gates.html
His statement are a perfect example of what Shannyn was saying.
Christ preached the beatitudes, and forgiveness.
What he is talking about is Old Testament violence, prejudice and intollerance. That’s just not Christ’s teachings.
I was curious why her statements were getting really strange with biblical inference and reference and near impossible to understand. Now I know why.
Yep,She is a Weirdo
Greytdog…that was fun-nee!
And nswfm CA “These religulous whackjobs should just rapture off the earth already.” My thoughts EXACTLY!
Lori in Los Angeles
Is there a link for this? Or – ??
Nan
The little mistress will lead them to God everytime.
lol, Professor Geezer!
It just keeps getting Higher and Deeper. IMPEACH or RECALL
Wurzelhexli: The ACLU is already investigating religiongate and the $25,000 of State funds given to the Church (for youth group “warriors” of some sort).
This actually frightens me – of all thing Palin, this is by far the scariest. PLEASE send your post to Huffington, AKM. One thing I have learned about the different factions of the Christainists is that they squabble amongst themselves, all believing that THEIR way is the ONLY way to Heaven. Therefore, this could help enlighten those followers who do not share her Domionist views. A link to the Muthee video might be a good idea too.
As an aside, I also recommend Leah Burton’s site, TheoPalinism for more in-depth reading about this cult.
Dare we forget the statement at church where she said the Iraq war is “God’s Will”???
So, when is the ACLU finally getting involved? Isn’t this just another part of her not separating church and state?
Another part of her religion-gate (where she gave $25,000 of STATE $$$ to some church)???
I second that for Greytdog!
These religulous whackjobs should just rapture off the earth already.
Reminds me of “Cool Hand Luke”………..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AShBoF1FPSE
Greytdog gets an “A” for today, methinks.
Murrow said: “But our governor keeps following that moral compass – and comes up smelling like a rose.”
Her scent is wafting far and wide, and it ain’t too rosy any more.
I keep getting kicked back to the home page. And when I come back to my comment it is gone.
I’m thinking this guy has Jesus mixed up with Joshua. . . as for the righteousness of a testosterone driven Christian male, may I point to exhibit A: Mark Sanford, exhibit B: John Ensign, exhibit C: David Vitter. . . .and finally, Exhibits D & E: Ted Haggard & Jimmy Swaggert. . .
Thus endth the lesson for today.
If all that isn’t “wearing your faith on your lapel” I’d hate to see what is.
Then again, maybe it’s just baked up in the cookies (like those wacky-baccy brownies in the 60s)
Being that Murrow is an “author”, I asked on an earlier thread if that meant she has already eaten her “ghost writer”??
May have been a very short-lived association!!!
Ohh — 1st again!!
More of the same… she’s on an iconic mission!
Communicate — Is that a word in her Funk & Wagnalls??